Spoilers The Flash - Season 3
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In the case of Barry returning to to a present where Hartley is a goodie... This alien Barry Allen didn't envelope the Barry native to that particular time line, because the Barry native to that timeline, was not present in the present to be enveloped. He had also gone to the past, and maybe only to satisfy a paradox that some had to tell Cisco to build the anti-wraith weapon.
Which means that there were three Barries in the past during that episode, where one of them got to run around without us watching him, and could have got up to anything while he was their being a scamp.
Which means that there were three Barries in the past during that episode, where one of them got to run around without us watching him, and could have got up to anything while he was their being a scamp.
I don't think thats how it works, though. In general, the returning traveler usually does not create duplicates, but retains his original memories as he is the lynchpin that caused the change. Think Back to the Future 1. Its not a time loop.... its a single travel, returning to a changed present. Its probably the most common of time travel tropes.
With The Flash, there seems to be some level of intent involved, however. Barry always planned on returning, so he didn't merge with his past self to relive that whole time period. That only seems to happen with short term jumps.
If anything, the "new" Barry in that scenario jumps into nonexistance, allowing the lynchpin/traveler Barry to return and retake his dominant place in the timeline, much like time remnant Thawne (not to be confused with the Thawne the wraiths just got ahold of.)
I would really be interested in seeing what the original timeline looks like, as far as Barry vs Thawn's story, and Barry's training and early years.
They really should have figured out the rules precisely before starting all of this.
With The Flash, there seems to be some level of intent involved, however. Barry always planned on returning, so he didn't merge with his past self to relive that whole time period. That only seems to happen with short term jumps.
If anything, the "new" Barry in that scenario jumps into nonexistance, allowing the lynchpin/traveler Barry to return and retake his dominant place in the timeline, much like time remnant Thawne (not to be confused with the Thawne the wraiths just got ahold of.)
I would really be interested in seeing what the original timeline looks like, as far as Barry vs Thawn's story, and Barry's training and early years.
They really should have figured out the rules precisely before starting all of this.
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Not duplication.
Native Barry from season one, plus 2 different Barries from two different alternate conflicting paradoxical seaons 2. One where Hartley is a good, and one where Hartley is a baddie.
Remember when older Barry "told" his lightly younger self not to save his mother? There was a third 10 year old Barry Allen present too, who didn't merge with either of his adult time travelling selves.
Native Barry from season one, plus 2 different Barries from two different alternate conflicting paradoxical seaons 2. One where Hartley is a good, and one where Hartley is a baddie.
Remember when older Barry "told" his lightly younger self not to save his mother? There was a third 10 year old Barry Allen present too, who didn't merge with either of his adult time travelling selves.
I just don't think they were all co existing. I don't think there was ever a 3rd in the past. I think there was a merge and/or leap into nonexistance by one of those Barry's. The new timeline overwrote the old one. They weren't coexisting.
Still think they really missed their chance in the premiere this season.... when Barry was undoing Flashpoint, he totally should have become the Barry who told his younger self to let her die.
Still think they really missed their chance in the premiere this season.... when Barry was undoing Flashpoint, he totally should have become the Barry who told his younger self to let her die.
s02e17.
I'm rewatching the episode, because my memory is not trustworthy, before I double down on my current argument.
Original 2016 Flash, goes back to 2015, and and tries to trank 2015 Flash, so that 2015 Flash is sleeping, while Original 2016 Flash is "altering" 2015.
2015 Flash and Original 2016 Flash do not merge.
Original 2016 Flash leaps forward to Alt 2016 that is different from original 2016 that he used to call home.
Back in 2015, 2015 Flash lives his life in a slightly different Alt timeline, until it's 2016 when the "original" 2016 Flash was supposed to have left for 2015, so "older" 2015 Flash goes back to 2015 as well, which is why Alt 2016 Cisco and Caitlin are waiting for their alt 2016 Flash to return home...
Which means that Alt 2016 Flash (probably) went to the same 2015 as Original 2016 Flash did.
(The TV show did not take this into account, or care what happened to alt 2016 Flash, and what Alt 2016 Flash did in 2015... Unless Alt 2016 Flash was the Time Wraith?)
Except when they're not.Nah, the Legends would have fixed that, they're good at their job.
If anything, didn't the first episode that featured Thawne living out fragments of his past in the new timeline, establish that when he departed, he went into nothingness? Wouldn't that imply that your theoretical alt 2016 Barry, when going into the past, actually is disappearing into nothingness?
I would still assume that he is replacing the new timeline's Barry upon his return. Its pure chance that the new timeline even had a Barry time traveling in that situation. If things had turned out drastically different in the new time line, there would not have been an extra Barry.... it still would have been our Barry returning to a changed world with the wrong memories, which may or may not adapt in later (as per Flashpoint.)
I would still assume that he is replacing the new timeline's Barry upon his return. Its pure chance that the new timeline even had a Barry time traveling in that situation. If things had turned out drastically different in the new time line, there would not have been an extra Barry.... it still would have been our Barry returning to a changed world with the wrong memories, which may or may not adapt in later (as per Flashpoint.)
Cisco almost exploded (His vibe powers were once very sensitive to changes to the timline) when they tried to divert (young) Thawn from going back to kill Nora Allen.
Cisco's ongoing good health is dependant on every time traveler intent on weaseling their way back into Cisco's personal history who he knew was already there, needs to get there or he phases out of existence.
Cisco's ongoing good health is dependant on every time traveler intent on weaseling their way back into Cisco's personal history who he knew was already there, needs to get there or he phases out of existence.
Preview trailer for the last episodes and the finale. I am super psyched. Looks amazing!
My theory that Iris' death is the event that creates Savatar is correct. Savatar is the result of Barry being completely consumed with grief and darkness after Iris' death. Savatar kills Iris in order to push Barry into the darkness that will create him.
Also, Captain Cold returns and looks to be as fantastic as ever!
Also, Captain Cold returns and looks to be as fantastic as ever!
If so, thats the worst predestination paraodox ever.
If they don't connect his existance to Flashpoint then it will never make any sense.
If they don't connect his existance to Flashpoint then it will never make any sense.
The time wraith from season 2, was wearing a ripped up flash mask.
Yes he does. The version of Thawn that got erased was the the version that already had the spear of destiny. The version of that Thawn that was trying to get the Spear of destiny is still alive.
But those are the same Thawne at different points in his own worldline. The latter becomes the former, then loops back on his timeline and is erased. So the other one has that same fate in his future.
Remember, Thawne brought a ton of time remnants of himself along with him, and they all disappeared when the Black Flash dissipated him.
Thawne from Legends, spoke about how much he missed Cisco and Caitlin. Thawne from legends is after Thawne from the Flash.
I think Speedsters get all the memories of their former selves thru the Speed Force, or something like that. It would explain things about both RF and Savitar.
So... speedforce is like a cloud service?
That would explain all the lightning!
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