He certainly said "three of them" but the next bit was a little muffled to me - but it was in absolutely the same tone of voice!
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He certainly said "three of them" but the next bit was a little muffled to me - but it was in absolutely the same tone of voice!
But wasn't that kind of the point? That all this time, the later Doctors have disowned this incarnation for the horrible things he did, but in reality he was just as much the Doctor as they were and had been misjudged? Underneath it all, this was a story about a man coming to terms with his past, learning to forgive himself.
Err, yes, you're recalling it differently, because... you recall it. I'd completely forgotten that was how it ended. I guess that does mean he could come back if Gallifrey were released from the freeze. Although hopefully as another actor, because I never liked John Simm's version.The board had photos of all the companions. Susan wasn't the only one whose photo was in the shot.
I don't think there's any way Clara would turn out to be Susan. One, we've already gotten the answer to the big mystery of who she was. Two, while calling back the origins of the series is a fun thing to do as an Easter egg in the anniversary special, it would be lost on the majority of modern viewers to have some big revelation about the show's female lead actually being some character from 50 years ago that they've barely even heard of.
But they don't remember that! And we don't know what he did between being young John Hurt in Night Of The Doctor and old Hurt in Day...
Genre fans are chronically disappointed, because for some reason they stick to watching things they don't enjoy instead of moving on. That's nothing new. But that was not my point. My point was that I think Moffat has nothing to apologize for, and many people agree with me, and that neither you nor I get to speak in the name of the fans.
The Doctor clearly stated at least once that he watched Gallifrey burn. All those explanations that he didn't remember what had happend and just assumed he'd destroyed it don't match up with that.
Simultaneous regeneration/mindwipe, I could see him getting the imagery of Gallifrey at war and the fires of regeneration mixed up. Time has a way of working these things out - it always does.
It's all part of our wonderful government's plan to drive up standards in schools : allowing unqualified people to teach !
Sometimes it's fun to read children's books.
But Gallifrey looked like it exploded, so what he said is still true from a certain point of view, he just won't remember the extracurricular activities of his time with the other Doctors.
So, regarding the Doctor and Elizabeth...
We now know that they actually married.
Right after he ran off in his TARDIS and didn't return (that we know of). Is that why she is so mad at him when we see her in The Shakespeare Code (earlier for him, later for her)? Then why would she make him the Curator of the undergallery?
Or are we to assume now that THAT Elizabeth was actually a Zygon?
We now know that they actually married.
Right after he ran off in his TARDIS and didn't return (that we know of). Is that why she is so mad at him when we see her in The Shakespeare Code (earlier for him, later for her)? Then why would she make him the Curator of the undergallery?
Or are we to assume now that THAT Elizabeth was actually a Zygon?
I'm not sure how any of this time-wimeyness works without the Moment still putting a time lock on the war and destroying all remnants of the Daleks and Time Lords outside of Gallifrey (with post-last-day Gallifrey stuck in a pocket universe outside the time lock). Otherwise, you're left with the the Doctor being able to just go back to earlier Gallifrey and pick up his friends and family at any point.
Side note: Did anybody else notice that the Doctor left the Tardis door open when visiting UNIT? He didn't even bother snapping the door shut.
Side note: Did anybody else notice that the Doctor left the Tardis door open when visiting UNIT? He didn't even bother snapping the door shut.
I just rewatched this episode and the opening titles for An Unearthly Child and the opening titles are cut in half from 30 to 15 seconds. I found it pretty noticeable considering the music didn't get the chance to finish the whole "woo-who" part.
I don't think the Moment removed the time lock; it just allowed the Doctors to penetrate it at that particular, err, moment. Not tearing down the wall so much as creating temporary openings in it.
Again, I'm fairly sure Moffat's intent is that the Moment didn't change anything, that this is what happened all along. For narrative reasons, that's the most likely interpretation, because it would render the events of the past eight years' worth of stories irrelevant if history had really been changed in any major way. (Sure, Moffat's cracks in time undid some historical events, but nothing involving the Doctor's own personal journey, which is the important thing here.) So it can reasonably be assumed that everything that was true before about the Time War is still true, except for the interpretation of what happened to Gallifrey at its very conclusion.
Pretty much this, The Doctor even states that something let them through, with the Moment commenting: "You clever boys", so the lock on the events of the Time War stands.
Let me state first that I agree completely with Christopher's interpretation; what we saw is what had always happened with the end of the Time War. The Moment was never used.
How this relates to the Time Lock...
I suspect the Time Lock on Gallifrey was never there, but the Doctor never thought to go to Gallifrey because he assumed that he could not reach it. In the comics, Martha has seen Gallifrey; the Doctor lets her see it through a telescope. If Gallifrey were never time locked, that makes more sense.
We're never actually told what actually makes the events time locked are we? We've always assumed it was whatever (The Moment) The Doctor used to end the Time War with that did it, but I guess it's something else entirely.
And realistically it'd have to be, since all of the events during the war are locked, otherwise why was Dalek Caan driven insane by traveling back through time and retrieving Davros from the early years of the war?
And realistically it'd have to be, since all of the events during the war are locked, otherwise why was Dalek Caan driven insane by traveling back through time and retrieving Davros from the early years of the war?
I always assumed it was the Time Lords themselves that prevented time travel into earlier events of the war so that both parties wouldn't constantly try to one-up themselves by preventing the preventions ad infinitum.
See the Rowan Atkinson spoof episode where he and the master keep doing just that on an infinitely smaller scale.
Since an event is defined as a sort of coordinate in space and time with each battle both participants were forced to broaden the battlefield more and more up to the whole of Gallifrey and Skaro burning through the whole of time.
Eventually the battles were fought on other worlds which got destroyed in the cross fire.
Only way to end it was destroying both factions at the same moment... well until the multi-doctors got involved anyway.
See the Rowan Atkinson spoof episode where he and the master keep doing just that on an infinitely smaller scale.
Since an event is defined as a sort of coordinate in space and time with each battle both participants were forced to broaden the battlefield more and more up to the whole of Gallifrey and Skaro burning through the whole of time.
Eventually the battles were fought on other worlds which got destroyed in the cross fire.
Only way to end it was destroying both factions at the same moment... well until the multi-doctors got involved anyway.
I suspect the Time Lock on Gallifrey was never there, but the Doctor never thought to go to Gallifrey because he assumed that he could not reach it. In the comics, Martha has seen Gallifrey; the Doctor lets her see it through a telescope. If Gallifrey were never time locked, that makes more sense.
When does he allow Martha to see Gallifrey though a telescope? He told Rose at the end of The End Of The World that there's nothing left of Gellifrey but dust.
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