The Clone Wars and Rebels - A First Timer's Thread

[JD]

He was in Rogue One. There is a practical version of him.

They also had an online behind the scenes companion series, Rebels Recon, that featured a live action Chopper as a regular part of the show. I've always wondered, did they use the Recon Chopper for Rogue One or build a different one?

Season 3 is off to an interesting start. Ezra from the finale to the third episode of the season has been kind of bratty. I guess that's the power of being close to turning to the Dark side. I liked the stuff between Kanan and Bendu (I did recognize Tom Baker's voice instantly, even though I have never seen his Doctor Who) and the episode where Maul and Ezra are looking into the holocrons was excellent. When Maul says "He Lives", was he talking about Obi Wan? Also, the twin suns made me instantly think of Luke Skywalker and Tatooine. They are starting to build towards A New Hope and I did read that Season 4 takes place shortly before the events of Rouge One. That's exciting to get this close to where the Saga all began back in '79.

I hope it's not to much of a spoiler to say that all of the stuff with Maul is building to something that many people consider one of the best moments in the entire series.

 

[tomalak301]

I hope it's not to much of a spoiler to say that all of the stuff with Maul is building to something that many people consider one of the best moments in the entire series.

That's good to know. If it is just as good, if not better than the Ahsoka/Vader fight, that's pretty much my expectation level.

 

[Ithekro]

Tempter expectations with knowledge and wisdom. For when it comes, consider who the are and what skill sets are involved.

However there is one more piece added to the mix. The blue man himself. Grand Admiral Thrawn.

 

[JD]

That's good to know. If it is just as good, if not better than the Ahsoka/Vader fight, that's pretty much my expectation level.

It's very different, but still awesome. I'm going to stop discussing this now, because writing any more would be getting to close to spoiler territory.

 

[tomalak301]

Tempter expectations with knowledge and wisdom. For when it comes, consider who the are and what skill sets are involved.

However there is one more piece added to the mix. The blue man himself. Grand Admiral Thrawn.

It was nice to finally meet him. If I remember the Ahsoka episode of Mandalorian well enough, she's been looking for the Grand Admiral. Rebels will be able to develop him so maybe I can figure out why, even if it obviously won't give the answer.

 

[Turtletrekker]

You keep saying things that make so many people just bite their tongues and whistle innocently.

 

[tomalak301]

Wow, an episode that gave Sabine much needed airtime/development and we got backstory on Wedge Antellis. Win Win all the way around.

And now we have an episode that officially ended the clone wars. And it wasn't because one side won. It was because of Ezra's logic of the Seperatists and the Republic weren't meant to win. Considering Palpatine played both sides, this was a very logical conclusion, and we got a great Rex episode.

 

[tomalak301]

"Iron Squadron" reminded me of DS9's Valiant, an episode I did not like. Shows don't do episodes with spoiled stupid kids that well. Unfortunately Rebels is not the exception.

 

[tomalak301]

I'm absolutely loving what this expanded universe is doing with Maul, and the connection he has with Ezra. Visions and Voices is the second episode this season to set up Obi Wan appearing on this series (I would be shocked if he didn't) and to bring back the Dothamir and the Dark Saber was great. Now it belongs to Sabine? That should be a fun storyline coming up.

 

[Reverend]

"Iron Squadron" reminded me of DS9's Valiant, an episode I did not like. Shows don't do episodes with spoiled stupid kids that well. Unfortunately Rebels is not the exception.

Yeah, while the episode isn't terrible this is very much a low point for the season and indeed, the whole show. But still, if this is as bad as it gets then I think that makes this a very above average show indeed!

I'm absolutely loving what this expanded universe is doing with Maul, and the connection he has with Ezra. Visions and Voices is the second episode this season to set up Obi Wan appearing on this series (I would be shocked if he didn't) and to bring back the Dothamir and the Dark Saber was great. Now it belongs to Sabine? That should be a fun storyline coming up.

It's also the episode that would later allow me to head-canon tRoS into some semblance of plausibility, by having the Sith Throne work the same as the alter by "trapping" a soul in that place and why the bodies he possessed kept decaying. He did have some kind of history with Talzan and it'd make sense that he'd want some means of cheating death.
Though the question remains, what did he offer in return? Maybe training Maul was the price, since Talzan thought once he became the master she and her coven could control the Sith Order?
There's still so many elements to Maul's story that are yet to be told...

 

[tomalak301]

Another reason to rewatch Rouge One, see Saw Geurrera and what he is up to. Just watched the two episodes that featured him and he was kind of a monster, wanting to take Klik klak and the egg like that. It was a good message of people finding the same enemy in different ways. Kind of speaks to real life in this day and age.

 

[JD]

You keep saying things that make so many people just bite their tongues and whistle innocently.

Oh yeah, there have been times I've just starred at my computer screen a good minute or two, trying to figure out how to say what I want to say, without spoiling anything. Usually my posts are fairly stream of consciousness, so that's way more time than I usually take on them.

 

[Ithekro]

Saw is obsessed that the Empire is working on something big. He is an extremist without his sister to keep him in check. The fact the the Empire exterminated the Geonosians is actually something that could have given the old Republic allies in the Senate something useful.

The thing is, Saw is right, he just keeps missing it, partly due to his extremist nature. They were practically told about the Death Star right then, years before it was ready. But when you need him, people don't bring the likes of C-3PO, or AP-5.

 

[tomalak301]

Saw is obsessed that the Empire is working on something big. He is an extremist without his sister to keep him in check. The fact the the Empire exterminated the Geonosians is actually something that could have given the old Republic allies in the Senate something useful.

The thing is, Saw is right, he just keeps missing it, partly due to his extremist nature. They were practically told about the Death Star right then, years before it was ready. But when you need him, people don't bring the likes of C-3PO, or AP-5.

That seemed to be what Hara was saying at the end. We may question their motives, but in the end they are still on the same side.

 

[Reverend]

Saw is what happens when one sacrifices *everything* to the cause. His life, his ethics, morals, conscience, sanity; All of it. As he says to Jyn in 'Rogue One': "There's not much of me left.."
He's an example of why victory at any cost is a pyrrhic victory at best, and no victory at all at worst. Had Saw not Mon Mothma and Bail been the driving force of the rebellion *and won* then the galaxy would have ended up in an even worse state than it was during the Clone Wars. Would have he had any hope of re-establishing the Senate when he'd already turned most of the galaxy against him? He'd have become just another warlord as the galaxy descended into barbarism.

Saw is obsessed that the Empire is working on something big. He is an extremist without his sister to keep him in check. The fact the the Empire exterminated the Geonosians is actually something that could have given the old Republic allies in the Senate something useful.

The thing is, Saw is right, he just keeps missing it, partly due to his extremist nature. They were practically told about the Death Star right then, years before it was ready. But when you need him, people don't bring the likes of C-3PO, or AP-5.

To be fair, a circle within a circle only means anything if you already know what a Death Star looks like. Without any context it's pretty useless information.

 

[JD]

Another reason to rewatch Rouge One, see Saw Geurrera and what he is up to. Just watched the two episodes that featured him and he was kind of a monster, wanting to take Klik klak and the egg like that. It was a good message of people finding the same enemy in different ways. Kind of speaks to real life in this day and age.

If you're interested in seeing more of Saw around this time, I'd highly recommend Rebel Rising. It focuses on Jyn, but there is a lot of stuff with Saw in the early parts of it.

 

[tomalak301]

Season 3, Episode 16, the one where Sabine is being trained by Kanan to wield the Dark Sabre.

One of my criticisms of this series was I wanted Sabine to be more visible, and not just a side player. Granted, some episodes she took lead, but those were missions and didn't reveal much about her. Here comes this episode and she got more development in this episode learning to use the Darksaber than any of the previous episodes combined. We learned about her family, why she left (building weapons for the empire who used them to enslave her own people) and how the Empire used fear to turn the family against her. This episode is what character development is all about and I wish it had happened sooner. Warhead was just ok, but this one I would say is one of the best episodes of the series.

In the very next episode she leaves. I hope to see her again though, as the Mandalorian Story is starting to become really interesting. This series I think ended in 2018, so I wonder if they inadvertently set up The Mandalorian series somehow. I doubt but buy you never know. I will say how Mandalorians are portrayed here is very different from the one that Din is a part of. I wonder what was the "This is the Way" clan where they refuse to remove the helmets.

 

[tomalak301]

I got a little chill when we see the alliance ships and Mon Mothma says "This is our Rebellion" and then the Star Wars Rebels logo appears. I love watching how all of this is born. I'm still waiting for the big moment of the series that was mentioned. I don't think this was it, but it's a pretty good moment.

 

[Reverend]

I got a little chill when we see the alliance ships and Mon Mothma says "This is our Rebellion" and then the Star Wars Rebels logo appears. I love watching how all of this is born. I'm still waiting for the big moment of the series that was mentioned. I don't think this was it, but it's a pretty good moment.

Fun fact; here Mon Mothma is played by Genevieve O'Reilly who reprises the role from Rogue One (which now that I think about it, was probably being recorded around the same time) and Episode III, although most of her scenes in the latter were deleted.

 

[JD]

I believe she's also going to be back for Andor too.

This series I think ended in 2018, so I wonder if they inadvertently set up The Mandalorian series somehow. I doubt but buy you never know. I will say how Mandalorians are portrayed here is very different from the one that Din is a part of. I wonder what was the "This is the Way" clan where they refuse to remove the helmets.

This was addressed in the first The Mandalorian episode with Bo-Katan. The "This is the Way" clan are a cult known as the Children of The Watch, which, from her attitude, is apparently not looked at very fondly by the mainstream Mandalorians like her and her companions.