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Spoilers The Boys Season 4 Discussion ( Spoilers)

Sage is an interesting new character. My husband thinks she's a nihilist.
I'm also wondering what was up with her and The Deep since it looks like she may have given herself a lobotomy with that metal tool in order to be 'stupider'. I don't know if she has some kind of advanced healing or possibly just brain regeneration and this is something she does regularly in order to 'turn off' the smart.

Or if it's her deciding to permanently end her intelligence.
 
I'm also wondering what was up with her and The Deep since it looks like she may have given herself a lobotomy with that metal tool in order to be 'stupider'. I don't know if she has some kind of advanced healing or possibly just brain regeneration and this is something she does regularly in order to 'turn off' the smart.

Or if it's her deciding to permanently end her intelligence.
oh yeah, that bloody metal thing on the table - i wondered about that
 
So Homelander is going home, presumably to Vought labs. Anyone want to place bets on him finding out his mom/egg donor is Stormfront, making him a literal "motherf----er"[?
 
So Homelander is going home, presumably to Vought labs. Anyone want to place bets on him finding out his mom/egg donor is Stormfront, making him a literal "motherf----er"[?

Ever since Stormfront was announced for the show fans have speculated she was his Mother since in the comics Stormfront was Homelander's Father (character was changed to a woman for the TV show). I think Homelander being the strongest supe would make ever more sense in the TV universe if both of his biological parents were very strong Supes.

From what I remember in the comics
there was a lot more DNA manipulation than it appears the TV show universe has used. With Vought taking DNA from past Supes in order to create a better/stronger version of that Supe. It doesn't really seem like that's been shown in the TV universe yet and most has just been 'up to chance' from the Compound V. In fact I think the Black Noir being the clone of Homelander in the comics was actually stronger than Homelander because they manipulated/tweaked his DNA
 
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Ever since Stormfront was announced for the show fans have speculated she was his Mother since in the comics Stormfront was Homelander's Father (character was changed to a woman for the TV show). I think Homelander being the strongest supe would make ever more sense in the TV universe if both of his biological parents were very strong Supes.

From what I remember in the comics
there was a lot more DNA manipulation than it appears the TV show universe has used. With Vought taking DNA from past Supes in order to create a better/stronger version of that Supe. It doesn't really seem like that's been shown in the TV universe yet and most has just been 'up to chance' from the Compound V. In fact I think the Black Noir being the clone of Homelander in the comics was actually stronger than Homelander because they manipulated/tweaked his DNA
My recollection of the comics version aligns with yours.
 
So Homelander is going home, presumably to Vought labs. Anyone want to place bets on him finding out his mom/egg donor is Stormfront, making him a literal "motherf----er"[?

With Homelander's PTSD/supressed guilt fueled nightmare and his psychotic mirror break we do get brief glimpses of the underground secret laboratory where Vought developed and conceived him (we even see nightmarish flashes of his birth mother in fear/agony, who is likely his biological mother and not a surrogate, due to her similar looks).

And LOL at the Ep. 3 set piece where Homelander's laser eyes accidently murders an innocent random skate performer, triggering a stampede amongst the rest of the artists and stage hands, inflicting further farcical deaths and injuries. :lol:
 
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I just watched the latest episode of "The Boys". This is the most disturbing episode for me out of the entire series so far. There are so many negative vibes in this episode and the violence is both physical and mental, especially Homelander's visit to the lab and the manipulative ability of both Vought and Firecracker to turn people against Starlight. Finally, the final scene in the hospital makes me question the motives of Hughie's mother and what is really going on there.
 
I am really digging the deconstruction of a psychopath storyline with Homelander this season. Such a fascinating look into what makes the character tick.
 
I just watched the latest episode of "The Boys". This is the most disturbing episode for me out of the entire series so far. There are so many negative vibes in this episode and the violence is both physical and mental, especially Homelander's visit to the lab and the manipulative ability of both Vought and Firecracker to turn people against Starlight. Finally, the final scene in the hospital makes me question the motives of Hughie's mother and what is really going on there.

Firecracker is just an unwitting Sage puppet though when we see that Sage orchestrated it all and got a little personal satisfaction/revenge in.

I agree though, that must have been the bloodiest and unbearable episode so far and that's saying something for a show like The Boys.

Starr was always brilliant in his role but this one he rises above it all - i actually had to fast forward a little bit when he mentally tortured the "poor" guy before ending it. This entire storyline was fascinating though because we get to see why he is the way he is. I was always of the opinion that nobody is born evil but that they become it through experiences and upbringing and this is the prime example - humans realizing they can't control him physically so they fucked him up mentally as a control mechanism ( collateral damage included and accepted it seems).

It doesn't make me pity Homelander but it sure makes it understandable.

By this point the social media / MAGA critique is a bit beating the dead horse and turning it into pulp Boys style but it shows how easy people are manipulated because they want their prejudices confirmed and it's not even hard - that hits far too close to reality and actually made a little sad.

So yeah, where to go from here? All members of the Boys seem to have their own dark paths revealed and it's tearing them apart that i wonder where the show will go from there.
 
I had a strange sensation looking at the fourth episode. The pacing felt off, like in one way the episode was padding and filler, but at the same time, rushed. The episode felt like filler to me because it seems Homelander going home, and also exploring his abusive/traumatic childhood should've been something they explored more in-depth seasons ago. We've gotten bits of it before, but it felt like they were stopping the momentum to do it at this point in the series. I feel now is the time for full-on villainy, and not a story that humanizes or both sides Homelander. That said, the Homelander scenes-as they typically are-are the most chilling and gripping of the episode. I like a lot of the Firecracker scenes this episode as well, from her casual racism to her confessional. Bringing back the twisty pastor was also a nice touch. And I really liked The Deep/Firecracker duet.

I felt this episode also sped through a lot of subplots, without pushing the overall story forward enough. I was surprised that both Frenchie and Kimiko's storylines sped up so fast, and especially that Frenchie admitted his role in murdering Colin's family. I was expecting them to drag that out more. I imagine that we aren't done yet with either the Frenchie or Kimiko subplots, though I could also see them both being put on the backburner to get back to the main goal of taking down the supes or fall to the wayside as Hughie's subplot comes to the forefront.

I felt the episode rushed Starlight's story the most. I found it strange that she could just meet the president so easily, and I also found it strange that she didn't face any charges for beating up Firecracker. Firecracker is too vindictive to not entangle her in the legal system. I also found it unbelievable that Neuman would speak out against the president over Starlight, and this is even before they have been inaugurated. The series has become more like real life, but in this instance, it's back to fantasy in depicting the Neuman-Singer political relationship.

I'm iffy on the attempts thus far to complicate Starlight. I felt her spreading a nasty rumor about Firecracker out of character from how we were introduced to her, and I would rather they had made the culprit her mother, and her crime would've been one of silently going along with it instead. That said, I do like that they've made Firecracker a personal enemy, and this does make her face more unsavory aspects of her character and past. Younger Starlight blinding someone while I can see that making sense I guess, but just feels like it might have been something that would've come up sooner. Why didn't Vought or Homelander use it to blackmail her, or attempt to, already?

I'm not quite buying A-Train being so willing to help out Hughie by stealing V, because how is Homelander not going to realize a vial of V is gone? And why would Ashley leave a floater in his toilet, and not expect to be found out? Homelander knew from a bead of sweat that Hughie was eavesdropping on them, and Ashley would be leaving behind a lot more DNA than that.
 
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I felt the episode rushed Starlight's story the most. I found it strange that she could just meet the president so easily, and I also found it strange that she didn't face any charges for beating up Firecracker. Firecracker is too vindictive to not entangle her in the legal system. I also found it unbelievable that Neuman would speak out against the president over Starlight, and this is even before they have been inaugurated. The series has become more like real life, but in this instance, it's back to fantasy in depicting the Neuman-Singer political relationship.

She is a Supe and a very prominent one so it doesn't seem that strange to me that she gets easier access to a liberal presidential candidate, they're on the same side so to speak. You can see this in real world too where politicians gladly accept the support of popular entertainers when it's campaign time.

Her beating up Firecracker just happened moments ago, the fallout is coming for sure which is why Singer dropped her immediately like a hot potatoe ( the only unrealistic part is that he made the call himself, it should have been a no name, low level staffer that informed her putting as much distance between her and Singer as possible).


I'm iffy on the attempts thus far to complicate Starlight. I felt her spreading a nasty rumor about Firecracker out of character from how we were introduced to her, and I would rather they had made the culprit her mother, and her crime would've been one of silently going along with it instead. That said, I do like that they've made Firecracker a personal enemy, and this does make her face more unsavory aspects of her character and past. Younger Starlight blinding someone while I can see that making sense I guess, but just feels like it might have been something that would've come up sooner. Why didn't Vought or Homelander use it to blackmail her, or attempt to, already?

I don't think it's that far fetched. As they said they were young teenagers back then and easily influenced. We have seen in past seasons that Starlights mom is the typical beauty queen mom, who wants fame and money by pushing their kid as a product and not a human being. We can chalk up the last part to the writing process itself and that they needed something truly bad to pin on Starlight, which wasn't needed in past seasons.

It seems this season is all about everybody's past mistakes and skeletons in the closet surfacing and they have to deal with it.

I'm not quite buying A-Train being so willing to help out Hughie by stealing V, because how is Homelander not going to realize a vial of V is gone? And why would Ashley leave a floater in his toilet, and not expect to be found out? Homelander knew from a bead of sweat that Hughie was eavesdropping on them
and Ashley would be leaving behind a lot more DNA than that.

This was my first thought too - fingerprints and strands of hair is one thing but dropping a log is akin to just leaving your ID on the counter to spare the lab the DNA analysis ( and you can bet your ass Homelander would force everyone at Vought to provide a DNA sample to find out who he needs to kill). If this is without consequence then it's sloppy writing but it made for a funny scene as it's what i expect Ashley to do in her situation.

Concerning A-Train it's been building up slowly that he's having doubts and the events of last season pushed him quite a bit into that theory. His brother dropping the hard truth in front of his sons/his nephews and humiliating him in front of close family might have been quite a kick to the behind as to what he does and represents.
It was still massively dangerous because it could have been easily Homelander himself instead of Ashley that surprised him, i don't think he did thorough recon to find out where Homelander is before breaking into his private quarters ( that oddly seem to be readily accessible by anyone).
 
Some of those people have been working in that little room for 40 years, and no one thought to take the oven room they used once 39 years ago, and turn it into a private office, or a break room with a pool table?

Unless there's a steady stream of super babies they have to test for durability, I literally do not buy it. It's all fake.

Sage must have hypnotized him, and it all happened in his mind.
 
Concerning A-Train it's been building up slowly that he's having doubts and the events of last season pushed him quite a bit into that theory. His brother dropping the hard truth in front of his sons/his nephews and humiliating him in front of close family might have been quite a kick to the behind as to what he does and represents.

Not hard truth, more like a tantrum fueled by A-Train and his estanged brother getting confused by living/working within decades of Vought's gaslighting (the 'supes are both entertainers and crime fighters for an extremely toxic, self-serving megacorporation).

It was still massively dangerous because it could have been easily Homelander himself instead of Ashley that surprised him, i don't think he did thorough recon to find out where Homelander is before breaking into his private quarters ( that oddly seem to be readily accessible by anyone).

Ashley is the official CEO of Vought International and A-Train is pretty much Homelander's righthand man (who falls in and out of favour alongside the Deep and both versions of Noir), so I pressume they have pass keys for Homelander's quarters.
 
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How about that timing of this week's episode? You think Robert Morris watches this show?

Some people are speculating that Temp V didn't give Butcher any powers, but rather his brain tumor got them.
 
Some of those people have been working in that little room for 40 years, and no one thought to take the oven room they used once 39 years ago, and turn it into a private office, or a break room with a pool table?

Unless there's a steady stream of super babies they have to test for durability, I literally do not buy it. It's all fake.

The lab for Homelander must've been repurpossed by Vought for other programmes in recent decades (like "Project Odessa"), with labcoats there working with V samples (including the green V24), and being a fundamentally evil biomedical company and all, the furnace chambers are clearly still useful at destroying animal (and human) test subjects...
 
This week's had some pretty good one-liners. Like Annie telling Singer that running ads during CSI Vegas is likely a hit among the "left the TV on because we're dead demographic." Or A-Train describing MM as "the talking goatee with gold chains."
 
This week's had some pretty good one-liners. Like Annie telling Singer that running ads during CSI Vegas is likely a hit among the "left the TV on because we're dead demographic."

Ironic, since the Madelyn Stilwell actress played a leading role on the original CSI....
 
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