Spoilers The Acolyte
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These are some click-bait titles of videos on YouTube. Obviously I didn't click on them so as not to give them views.
- The Acolyte is AWFUL | This is How Star Wars DIES, With Thunderous CRINGE
- THE ACOLYTE DISASTER - How Episodes 1-3 Killed Star Wars
- Everyone Hates The Acolyte as Much as Disney Hates Star Wars
- The Acolyte: How Disney Destroyed Star Wars Forever
Stuff like this always reminds me of the fanzine newsletter that stopped publishing after The Empire Strikes Back because the franchise was clearly dead after this awful sequel.
There were a lot of people who didn’t know what to make of TESB when it came out. The main tensions of the film are left unresolved, and some new tensions are introduced in the third act. The end of the movie is not the end of the story. It took for granted that there was going to be a sequel and that you were going to see it. What major films ever did that before 1980?
So another day ending in "Y" on the internet.
In fairness, I wouldn't call Acolyte "awful" or a "disaster", but I wouldn't put it anywhere near the top of Star Wars series, either. If it was never made I don't think it would affect any aspect of the greater SW universe. I just don't find it that impactful, is all. In that way, to me, it has failed (if that was ever one of its goals to begin with).
I commented elsewhere, but I also have been slowly withdrawing from discussions on Star Wars around the interweb. Part of the reason though is, in my humble opinion, the prestige of Star Wars and the expectations that go along with it have become too damn high. It's not enough for a work to just exist; it must be significant, and move the franchise in a way that is unparalleled since the last such movement.
To me, it's the same phenomenon as seeking out a high, either through substances, or relationships, or whatever. It's the constant chasing after that same zing and spark that likely cannot ever be recaptured. It's sour grapes taken to a larger extent because the expectation is that all Star Wars satisfies the same way.
Spoiler alert: it doesn't.
Obviously you decide what's important, but why should every single work of Star Wars fiction be "impactful"? Couldn't it just, well, tell a story? Let's pretend that in the last episode we discover, I don't know, that the protagonists are Palpatine's grandparents, would that change your overall appreciation of the series?
I'm okay with just telling a story, and you're right that things don't always have to be impactful, but the writing of certain characters really should at least try to make sense in-universe. The way this one has been told (again, to me) is just ridiculous, bordering on general character assassination of the Jedi. I get they've always been a bit full of themselves and tragically in love with the sound of their own heads rattling all the time with their fortune-cookie philosophy, but one wonders how they ever survived as an organization being so patently stupid and acting in very un-Jedi-like ways for so long. I occasionally find myself sometimes rooting for the Sith, as they at least seem to have more than half a clue and know how to act strategically when faced with an adversary, but I don't think that's how it's supposed to work for the viewer. Shows like this prop themselves up to provide what they feel to be thoughtful criticism of alleged "heroes", like the Jedi (and yes, I get that real life is a lot more gray than the black-and-white world of Jedi-vs-Sith and that's what they're going for), but it's really not well thought-out. The videos @cooleddie74 have been posting here actually do a very good job quantifying some of the silly things being shown, far more eloquently (and humorously) than I ever could.
I mean, I get that Sol feels he's ready for a Padawan (despite the objections from Master Trinity), but he was really pushing the issue - in fact, it could be argued that he tried (and failed) to manipulate the situation so that he could have his Padawan by forcibly taking one or both of the twins from the Witches - breaking and entering into their coven, pushing the M-testing and coercing the others to intervene and take the kids. It could be further argued that his actions directly or indirectly led to the death of all those women, along with the resulting deaths of the other Jedi involved, including Padawn Jecki (which I'm still pissed about)! Sol's got a lot to answer for, but instead it was all relegated down to a simple "misunderstanding" and, oh, and BTW, we're not going to tell the Jedi Council any of this when we get back to Coruscant. Who are the "heroes" supposed to be again? Cheese-and-crackers, man!
I mean, I get that Sol feels he's ready for a Padawan (despite the objections from Master Trinity), but he was really pushing the issue - in fact, it could be argued that he tried (and failed) to manipulate the situation so that he could have his Padawan by forcibly taking one or both of the twins from the Witches - breaking and entering into their coven, pushing the M-testing and coercing the others to intervene and take the kids. It could be further argued that his actions directly or indirectly led to the death of all those women, along with the resulting deaths of the other Jedi involved, including Padawn Jecki (which I'm still pissed about)! Sol's got a lot to answer for, but instead it was all relegated down to a simple "misunderstanding" and, oh, and BTW, we're not going to tell the Jedi Council any of this when we get back to Coruscant. Who are the "heroes" supposed to be again? Cheese-and-crackers, man!
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It's an interesting comparison because I don't really think Andor has heroes, not in the traditional sense of the word. Acolyte has a similar feel, especially with further revelations of Sol.
I am curious to see how Acolyte ends before I go all in on passing judgement. In my opinion, thus far, the Acolyte reflects the general tone of the Jedi since the PT.
I am curious to see how Acolyte ends before I go all in on passing judgement. In my opinion, thus far, the Acolyte reflects the general tone of the Jedi since the PT.
Yep.
Personally, I don't struggle with The Acolyte because it's bad. Because it isn't. It's just so incredibly 'meh'. There's some people, and some stuff is happening. There's some cool lightsaber action.
That's it. No coherent plot. Not characters that make me go 'what will happen with this person?'. Just.... stuff going on.
Wookiee Jedi for the win though.
That's it. No coherent plot. Not characters that make me go 'what will happen with this person?'. Just.... stuff going on.
Wookiee Jedi for the win though.
^^^ Kelnacca was awesome, yes. Just wish he had more screen-time.
I am genuinely curious if the construct of his name makes him a potential ancestor/relative of Chewbacca and, if so, is Chewie also potentially forcse-sensitive to a degree?
I am genuinely curious if the construct of his name makes him a potential ancestor/relative of Chewbacca and, if so, is Chewie also potentially forcse-sensitive to a degree?
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How dare you, sir?! I tell you again, we're on the Internet. This will not be tolerated!
I think it's pretty clear from interviews and such that they've always intended there to be a second season. I feel like the trajectory of the themes and plotting has made that clear, too.
I really hate this "lightsaber bleeding" nonsense. Just seems so unnecessary. Plus it doesn't make sense with the established canon since Anakin's never went red.
The story didn't work for me. I just didn't care either way if she joined or not. The whole connecting it to the mother was rather weak I thought. Her death just wasn't very well executed.
The only interesting thing was that mysterious guy in the cave? Was that Plagueis? Didn't look like a Bith so I doubt it's Teneborus.
I think they should have focused it more on Venestra and the fallen Padawan and left the twins out of it.
The story didn't work for me. I just didn't care either way if she joined or not. The whole connecting it to the mother was rather weak I thought. Her death just wasn't very well executed.
The only interesting thing was that mysterious guy in the cave? Was that Plagueis? Didn't look like a Bith so I doubt it's Teneborus.
I think they should have focused it more on Venestra and the fallen Padawan and left the twins out of it.
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