The scene with Luke and Rey in the old Jedi cave is one of the best in the entire Disney Era and definitely the Sequel Trilogy. Shame so much of the rest of the movie is a bungled attempt at being weighty but not closing the deal.
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The rest of the Sequels should have been more like these few minutes.
I am still very much one who enjoys The Last Jedi. I think Luke has amazing scenes and dialogue, I think his arc makes sense based on what's shown in the previous films.
I think this is also the place I reiterate that Poe should have stayed reading TFA. I think the mistrust storyline works better with Finn pushing to attack the First Order and being in conflict with Leia.
I like Canto Bite but DJ was far too late for his character to totally land.
I think this is also the place I reiterate that Poe should have stayed reading TFA. I think the mistrust storyline works better with Finn pushing to attack the First Order and being in conflict with Leia.
I like Canto Bite but DJ was far too late for his character to totally land.
Poe is like two different characters in between TFA and TLJ. He came off as genuinely likable and reasonable in TFA. In TLJ, he is a disagreeable, unlikable, insubordinate jerk whose unauthorized use of equipment and personnel for an unsanctioned side mission only succeeded in getting the majority of the Resistance killed. The only time I cheered in that whole part of the movie was when Leia shot his idiot ass. In The Last Jedi, Poe Dameron was to the Resistance what Anakin Skywalker was to the Jedi Order in Revenge of the Sith. And by the end of the movie, we're supposed to be following his lead? No thanks.
I do see and admire what Johnson was trying to say with the Canto Bight arc, but none of it really landed in my eyes, especially, as fireproof noted, DJ.
I do see and admire what Johnson was trying to say with the Canto Bight arc, but none of it really landed in my eyes, especially, as fireproof noted, DJ.
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And arguably one of the brighter spots in the whole trilogy.
Now I'm thinking of a Canto Bites spinoff with Winona!fireproof78 said:
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Disney Reveals $645 Million Spending On Star Wars Show ‘Andor’
Disney has revealed that the cost of making Star Wars show Andor has surged to $645 million after it spent a record $290.9 million last year on filming its second season.
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I feel that Disney has been shoveling huge pots of money at Star Wars, but not enough at marketing. Or maybe I'm wrong, but the shorter and more infrequent seasons - the "cinematizing" of TV shows makes them super expensive and less likely to have repeat seasons.
But Andor S1 actually did improve on its metrics that Disney+ was using though. Acolyte started from 448 million minutes to 335 million by the end of the show. In contrast Andor went from 624 million to 674 million by the end. Neither of these numbers are anything to write home about, but Andor's numbers were improving and the fan/critical reception were probably better.
Which one had more positive word of mouth?They were like "Acolyte cost too much" but then you see the massive amount of money they shoveled at Andor...
Isn't an argument for Trek: Legacy is that more people watched than other shows?
This is why, as much as I liked Poe in TFA, I still think it was a mistake to let him survive escaping with Finn in that movie. I think the arc Johnson tried to give Poe in TLJ would have made a lot more sense with Finn in his place, particularly with Holdo's refusal to trust him or divulge any details of her plan with Leia, for fear that Finn might still be loyal to the First Order. And then by movie's end the Resistance has come to trust Finn and see him as a leader. I would have appreciated that a lot better than what felt like--to me--essentially a repeat of the arc that Finn experienced in TFA.
I use reviews just as a way to get an idea of what to expect for stuff I'm not totally sold yet. For me their more of a deciding factor on if I'm going to spend the money at the theater or wait stream it or rent it on Amazon.
It was still #10, which is pretty impressive when you consider the number of streaming services out there. Although as a new Star Wars series I guess you would expect it to be even higher.Disney Entertainment co-chair Alan Bergman, assessing the state of past, present and future Star Wars TV projects for Vulture, said that "as it relates to Acolyte, we were happy with our performance, but it wasn’t where we needed it to be given the cost structure of that title..."Well, I call that half of an honest statement. Here's the (reported) ratings for the week of its finale:
High budget or not, I doubt Disney is "happy" with a live-action Star Wars series getting its ass kicked by the likes of Love Island, a historical action-adventure show, and a true-crime docuseries.
I was the opposite, the sequel trilogy duels were some of my favorites in the entire franchise, I thought they did a nice job of finding a middle ground between the slower more grounded fights in the Original Trilogy and the over the top speed and gymnastics of the Prequels.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing. And really since a lot of the work was already done, they probably would have already needed less money to start with, and then it wouldn't have been that hard to cut down a bit on stuff here and there.
DJ kind of epitomises most of the problems with TLJ; it's an interesting idea, that is half baked, poorly articulated and almost totally disconnected from all the other ideas floating around. That it results in little more than an indifferent shrug just underlines how pointless of an exercise it was, and contributes to the overall feeling that the movie is fundamentally unfocused.
From what I've seen and read over the years, this is something the film makers were well aware of and I've seen numerous times the mention of their having no clue what to do with any of the "not Rey, Luke & Kylo" characters. I think they even rejected an earlier draft because Poe and Finn got along too well . . . which just boggles my mind. I mean sure; drama requires conflict, but it doesn't have to be interpersonal conflict. Indeed IMO that's arguably the least interesting kind of conflict, but it is easier, quicker and more seductive.
Could they seriously not think of a way to make a b-story engaging unless the protagonists are directly at odds and/or acting like morons? Worse still; because they concluded that their b-team cast's chemistry was far too good (which shouldn't even be a thing) they decided to split them up and have them both running around like morons on a fruitless errand that both culminated is such shallow, cock-eyed messages that one is left wondering why they even bothered bringing the characters back at all ( beyond contractual obligations.)
Just for the record since one might be left with the contrary impression based on all of this; TLJ remains my favourite of the trilogy, because the Rey, Luke & Kylo stuff is still very good, and Ryan Johnson is a faaaaar better film maker than JJA.
Plus most of the more expensive actors' characters had already been killed off, opening the way for a much smaller, more focused cast.
So I like Andor and stuck with it - I got twenty minutes into this and it just appeared to same old same old. My backlist is just too long for me to carry on with something that doesn't grab me or present me with something new.
Star Wars is set in a vast Universe and yet we still end up in the same looking places and same iconography to diminishing returns.
I’m not sure this is even possible in the Star Wars franchise but it feels that a separate reboot universe which is more novel might be one of the only ways out.
Star Wars is set in a vast Universe and yet we still end up in the same looking places and same iconography to diminishing returns.
I’m not sure this is even possible in the Star Wars franchise but it feels that a separate reboot universe which is more novel might be one of the only ways out.
Most if not all planets in live-action SW just look like someplace on Earth. This is true, and Andor is no exception. We rarely get to see a truly alien environment. The last example I can think of offhand would probably be Abafar/"The Void" from TCW.
There is a care and attention to set design I just don't see or rather speaks to me in a way that other series just doesn't have (have not seen SC so cannot comment on that).
"Would Have Been Incredible": 'The Acolyte's Manny Jacinto Reveals How Many Seasons Were Laid Out Before Cancellation
The Acolyte's Manny Jacinto revealed that the show's creator Leslye Headland had plans for at least two more seasons as well as a feature film.
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That's too bad, but it's nice to know regardless of how it ended up it still very much a labor of love. I know it's passe to call out Acolyte for being terrible (well, that's nothing new) but I personally very much enjoyed the show and think it could have found its footing better with another season."Would Have Been Incredible": 'The Acolyte's Manny Jacinto Reveals How Many Seasons Were Laid Out Before Cancellation
The Acolyte's Manny Jacinto revealed that the show's creator Leslye Headland had plans for at least two more seasons as well as a feature film.
Overall, I think the Acolyte suffers similarly to TLJ and BOBF with a need to weave in too many characters in such a smaller time frame. I think characters like Basil and even Yord, to a degree, were superfluous. There are a lot of little elements that started taking away from the bigger picture of the story, and it was frustrating.
Similarly, with the Book of Boba Fett, you have characters who start out in the beginning as feeling like they might add something, only for whole episodes to be devoted characters at the last minute. Like someone else commented on TLJ in another thread, it makes it difficult for these characters to land when they drop in or out at random.
Do I think Acolyte is great? No, but I don't think its the travesty people insist it is, nor is it saying "The Jedi are evil!" It is saying that personal ambition can blind one to negative consequences.
I feel like that's a theme that's always been in Star Wars though...
Must be a story behind that.
My personal take-away was more about how despite the best intention of all involved; institutions become weakened and corrupt when the people within them begin to compromise it's core tenets and even it's whole purpose for existing, in the interest of preserving and perpetuating said institution for it's own sake.
An analogy to that might be: a hospital administrator deliberately and knowingly allowing patients to die or suffer needlessly in the interests of keeping the Hospital open, justifying it to themselves by saying that more people would be hurt if the Hospital went away. A classic self-defeating "end justify the means" argument.
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