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I'm enjoying this so far. RIP, CAM, though. Maybe we'll see her in flashbacks?
Not quite. The Jedi knew that Osha had a sister, believed dead. What was apparently omitted was that this sister was a TWIN. This is relevant because it means the Jedi didn't know somebody who could look almost exactly like Osha might be out there. But also because it meant that Sol and company either KNEW that Mae was a potential Force wielder 16 years ago, or could have reasonably reached that conclusion through Osha after the fact. Which means if they didn't actually confirm her death they left a pretty major loose end just hanging out there in the galaxy.
On your later point regarding Sol's about face where Mae's continued existence is concerned, I think there are two major factors already in play even before you get to any potential error on Sol's part in the 16 years ago story. 1) He cares for Osha. More than he's meant to. This is almost certainly because of whatever happened 16 years ago and feeling protective of her because her family died (and it was probably the Jedi's fault). So he WANTS to believe Osha didn't do it. It's a measure of copium, to borrow the term from the gamer sphere. He's quick to embrace the theory that gets him to the result he'd prefer. 2) Related to 1, he trusts Osha. When she says she knows Mae is alive, he is predisposed to believe her.
I'm more interested in finding out in what way Sol is lying to Osha about what happened to her family. Or is Sol being honest from his point of view and Mae is just blinded by the dark side or deception? Was it the Jedi's fault? The revelation is going to push Osha into a very interesting place in regards to her former master as the Order either way.
My guess would be the fire was a result of a botched assassination. So either the twins mother or Mae herself because a Jedi saw some dodgy future in her.
This Lesley person is my new hero.
Seen the first two episodes, at the moment it's enjoyable enough, I like Sol and Dafne Keen is awesome as Jecki Lon. Yord was a bit of a jerk but at least he's not afraid to admit when he's wrong and his jobsworth Jedi is good for the others to bounce off. Stenberg is good in a duel role and plays them very differently and it's always great to see Manny Jacinto.
Re the twin thing I'm just so over twins as a dramatic conceit. The last time that managed to be shocking for me was
The only upside as someone else said is that at least they didn't drag it out for three or four episodes (actually that and the fact that it doesn't seem likely we'll get either twin impersonating the other, they're just too different as shown by how quickly Qmir saw through her.)
On the subject of him. Crazy hypothesis with absolutely no evidence or basis in logic. Qmir is the Sith master! (Where better place to hide than in plain sight?)
The other thing that mildly annoys is the (admittedly superficial) similarity to Ashoka. A female padawan who left the Jedi order and now must reconnect with their former master to defeat a powerful foe. (I said superficial!)
Anyway two episodes in and it's enjoyable enough that I'm gonna keep watching, but I wouldn't say it's gripped me too tightly so far (then again I recall being significantly underwhelmed by the first episode of Andor and I frickin' love that show more than any other!)
Re the twin thing I'm just so over twins as a dramatic conceit. The last time that managed to be shocking for me was
The Prestige, where Nolan made it work by focusing so much on the preposterous sc-fi method by which Jackman pulled the trick that you ignored the blatantly obvious method by which Bale was doing it)
The only upside as someone else said is that at least they didn't drag it out for three or four episodes (actually that and the fact that it doesn't seem likely we'll get either twin impersonating the other, they're just too different as shown by how quickly Qmir saw through her.)
On the subject of him. Crazy hypothesis with absolutely no evidence or basis in logic. Qmir is the Sith master! (Where better place to hide than in plain sight?)
The other thing that mildly annoys is the (admittedly superficial) similarity to Ashoka. A female padawan who left the Jedi order and now must reconnect with their former master to defeat a powerful foe. (I said superficial!)
Anyway two episodes in and it's enjoyable enough that I'm gonna keep watching, but I wouldn't say it's gripped me too tightly so far (then again I recall being significantly underwhelmed by the first episode of Andor and I frickin' love that show more than any other!)
The databank has been updated with new entries for the first two episodes (also episode guides, but that's just trivia and I didn't see anything especially noteworthy.)
A few details jump out at me; mostly references to early EU/RPG material in some of the naming. For example the prison ship is said to be a Kazellan Corporation DTE-CSA-17 Calaboose, named the Palwick. The "CSA" part presumably stands for 'Corporate Sector Authority' which along with CorpSec itself (also name dropped here) first showed up in the old 'Han Solo Adventures' novels. Additionally; the ship's silhouette and manufacturer seems to reference (possibly retroactively) the Kazellis-class from one of the old WEG Adventure Journals.
This may be a bit of a stretch, but the back quarter of the Polan (the part that detaches and stays in orbit) very much reminded me of the crashed shipwreck outside of the Mos Eisley cantina (that a few different fans have attempted to recreate over the years, based on a pair of John Barry's sketches for the set piece.) That could just be pure coincidence as the scale is very different, as is literally anything else about the rest of the ship's design. Indeed, with the green tinge to the thrusters and the general arrangement, one might just as easily make a case for the Moldy Crow as inspiration/
What's somewhat more clear cut is that the TradeFed freighter seems to be based on the same Doug Chiang concept (for what would become the Radiant VII) as the Rainhawk transport that's shown up a handful of times in animation
Bit of a side note; but I feel like it's worth pointing out that depending on how quickly those trees on Khofar grow; the ship Master Kelnacca has made his home could be out first look at a ship from the Old Republic in live action. (The closest we've gotten so far in canon is The Crucible in Clone Wars.)
I guess while I seem to be still stuck on the subject of the various ships; it's been revealed that Mae's ship was not only a practical three foot model; but was shot on location. (Perspective can be such a deceptive thing!) Honestly, I couldn't have called that; I was so sure some of the shots of the Polan were done a physical model (which still might be the case), Mae's ship didn't even register.
A few details jump out at me; mostly references to early EU/RPG material in some of the naming. For example the prison ship is said to be a Kazellan Corporation DTE-CSA-17 Calaboose, named the Palwick. The "CSA" part presumably stands for 'Corporate Sector Authority' which along with CorpSec itself (also name dropped here) first showed up in the old 'Han Solo Adventures' novels. Additionally; the ship's silhouette and manufacturer seems to reference (possibly retroactively) the Kazellis-class from one of the old WEG Adventure Journals.
This may be a bit of a stretch, but the back quarter of the Polan (the part that detaches and stays in orbit) very much reminded me of the crashed shipwreck outside of the Mos Eisley cantina (that a few different fans have attempted to recreate over the years, based on a pair of John Barry's sketches for the set piece.) That could just be pure coincidence as the scale is very different, as is literally anything else about the rest of the ship's design. Indeed, with the green tinge to the thrusters and the general arrangement, one might just as easily make a case for the Moldy Crow as inspiration/
What's somewhat more clear cut is that the TradeFed freighter seems to be based on the same Doug Chiang concept (for what would become the Radiant VII) as the Rainhawk transport that's shown up a handful of times in animation
Bit of a side note; but I feel like it's worth pointing out that depending on how quickly those trees on Khofar grow; the ship Master Kelnacca has made his home could be out first look at a ship from the Old Republic in live action. (The closest we've gotten so far in canon is The Crucible in Clone Wars.)
I guess while I seem to be still stuck on the subject of the various ships; it's been revealed that Mae's ship was not only a practical three foot model; but was shot on location. (Perspective can be such a deceptive thing!) Honestly, I couldn't have called that; I was so sure some of the shots of the Polan were done a physical model (which still might be the case), Mae's ship didn't even register.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
You know it did look familiar to me, but my brain went to some unused Ralph McQuarrie or Joe Johnston sketches for the bounty hunters, or even something from Dark Empire, but I couldn't place it exactly. Evidentially early Marvel is a bit of a blind spot for me! That said, I rather think there's more than a little bit of classic Cylon in it's head design . . .
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I agree with all of this (including subverting twin tropes) except to say that I smiled at the Ahsoka allusions. The fact such parallels exist demonstrate how the Jedi didn't learn from their past mistakes, which were part of their ultimate downfall.
I knew Keen was in this but didn't realise she was the Padawan. I hadn't realised she is still so small as an adult.
I thoroughly enjoyed it as well. Moreso than 2.
Not that crazy. Makes sense. The “Everybody has a weakness” stuff sounds a lot like something a Sith Lord would want to teach their apprentice.
OTOH, if he mentors Mae in both guises and she hasn’t figured out that they’re the same person, she’d have to be kind of dim, wouldn’t she?
Why does that have to be the case? The master has a mask and a voice synthesizer based on their (we don't even know their gender or even their species!) brief appearance in the first episode.
The only reason we the audience suspect this possibility is we have the benefit of being the outside viewer with more/different knowledge from Mae. Not only that, but we've come to anticipate such twists from other media to the point it's a trope.
Mae has no such expectations. She's simply living her life.
The Barash Vow first appeared in the Vader comics in 2017
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I think I actually have that comic in a box somewhere in the garage. I subscribed to the Marvel Star Wars comic for a while back then. Time to go hunting!
I've seen people complaining about the fire on the ship in the first episode
1. Fire can burn in space IRL as long as there's a proper fuel source. I.E. THE SUN, but there's also been experiments with fire in a vacuum.
2. We have seen fire in space in pre-Disney Star Wars media (like the Executor was burning in space in ROTJ)
3. Star Wars is FANTASY. They have sound in space, ships fly and turn like they're in atmosphere. Fire can burn in space if it wants.
1. Fire can burn in space IRL as long as there's a proper fuel source. I.E. THE SUN, but there's also been experiments with fire in a vacuum.
2. We have seen fire in space in pre-Disney Star Wars media (like the Executor was burning in space in ROTJ)
3. Star Wars is FANTASY. They have sound in space, ships fly and turn like they're in atmosphere. Fire can burn in space if it wants.
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I'll be honest, my only real exposure to the old comics was owning a couple of "Classic Star Wars" trade paperbacks in the mid-90's, which I think mostly collected the old newpapaer comic strips, not Marvel's main run. I don't think Dark Horse started republishing those until the late 90's, by which time I wasn't really keeping up.
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