Spoilers The Acolyte
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Flashbacks for the Macho Grande incident I assume
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Overall a good start imo.
I guess the impression that we are to get is that the Jedi of this era are so arrogant that the best of their guild consider even the use of a light saber to be beneath them. The try to fight using only the force. The only Jedi we see readily reaching for their sabers are the low ranking ones, the Knight of two years - who used it like a security blanket - and the low ranking official at the temple. The female Jedi at the start only started using her saber when she started to realize she was facing a dark side user with experience.
I wonder if this will become a problem when faced with a Maul level duelist later one? Which might have led to a change in SOPs. Only issue, no one in the Phantom era can know of this, but a chang ein stance on light sabers can be explained to the order in other ways.
I guess the impression that we are to get is that the Jedi of this era are so arrogant that the best of their guild consider even the use of a light saber to be beneath them. The try to fight using only the force. The only Jedi we see readily reaching for their sabers are the low ranking ones, the Knight of two years - who used it like a security blanket - and the low ranking official at the temple. The female Jedi at the start only started using her saber when she started to realize she was facing a dark side user with experience.
I wonder if this will become a problem when faced with a Maul level duelist later one? Which might have led to a change in SOPs. Only issue, no one in the Phantom era can know of this, but a chang ein stance on light sabers can be explained to the order in other ways.
Over Macho Grande?
No. I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande...
The Arrogance is really portrayed in Yord and Vernestra.. We're Jedi!! ugh..
Not to keen on the portrail of the Jedi, Yes they were a bit arrogant, but in general a force of good, and its members fair and humble.. Yords Padawan was an arrogant jerk.. Yord isn't that much better.
No. I don't think I'll ever get over Macho Grande...
The Arrogance is really portrayed in Yord and Vernestra.. We're Jedi!! ugh..
Not to keen on the portrail of the Jedi, Yes they were a bit arrogant, but in general a force of good, and its members fair and humble.. Yords Padawan was an arrogant jerk.. Yord isn't that much better.
I’m very interested to see where this goes! Love the good twin/evil twin angle.
It's not hard to figure out why the marketing for a show called The Acolyte focused on Mae, the character who is an acolyte.
It's public knowledge that Carrie Anne Moss is in more episodes. But even if you're not aware of that, the fact she's listed in the show's main cast should make it clear this appearance wasn't a one and done.
There’s arrogance, but I don’t that’s what the not-using-the-saber is about. A lightsaber’s a deadly weapon. If you can end a fight or subdue an opponent without killing or maiming them, surely that’s better, and more in keeping with Jedi ideals? Whereas drawing the saber indicates a specific willingness to kill — so in this era, an advanced Jedi tries to avoid the saber, and if they draw it, it’s on.
She's going to appear again based on trailer footage.
So far so good! That was a nice solid start to the show, doing a good job of establishing the setting, characters and the beginnings of the mystery, all while feeling very much like it's own thing among the other live action Star Wars shows. That said it feels not entirely dissimilar to Andor in the grounded (but by no means excessively grim) tone and the very deliberate, very confidence pacing.
Jecki Lon is an instant favourite for me, and not just because I've always liked the Theelin make-up design; there's just something dryly amusing about a sardonic, hyper-capable Padawan that routinely makes a certain Knight look like a bit of a bumbling amateur in comparison. Not that he's actually incompetent, just a little naive and easily flustered in the presence of a Master. Not unexpected given the time period that even some Knights are a little wet behind the ears.
I'm especially enjoying the unique (for Star Wars) feeling Jedi combat, and it feels very appropriate to keep the lightsaber action to a bare minimum, at least for now.
As cute as he is; I'm not clear on exactly what Pip's function is supposed to be. I mean yes, he's essentially a multi-tool, but we've yet to see why such a multi-tool needs to have a droid intelligence inside it. I guess he could offer diagnostic and computer interface functionality, or act as an interface for a built-in archive of tech manuals and can offer advice more than anything, but we'll just have to wait and see if that's the case.
A few trivia name drops here and there like Carlac from Clone Wars, CorpSec from the old Brian Daley Han Solo books, and the Barash Vow from the High Republic publishing end of things, but nothing that felt out of place, or in any danger of making casual fans feel like they're missing out. I'll admit though; I'm a tiny bit annoyed that they teased a visit to Nar Shaddaa, but didn't actually show it!
I get the feeling like the Jedi transport (the Polan, according to the databank) is this show's token practical model, just like the Razor Crest & the T-6. It just has that old Joe Johnston industrial design aesthetic, crossed with the more rounded Doug Chiang prequel look, as filtered through the classic ILM model-shop kitbashed look. Incidentally it's said to be of Lantillian design, with is a term that goes waaaay back to the old late 80's WEG RPG.
As for the central mystery; I'm going to try and not over analyse or attempt to anticipate it, and just see where the show takes me. That said, my current feeling is that Osha is the Sith Acolyte that's recruited Mae in a bid to supplant whoever the reigning Sith Master is right now . . . but that could just be what I'm supposed to think at this point, and the plot will take a few more turns before the end.
Same logic applies to any Jedi that may have been turned by the Sith over the last thousand years. Indeed, it's a fair bet that a non-zero percent of the Sith Lords between Bane & Sidious had at least been Jedi Padawans at one point or another, if not Knights or Masters. Cases like Maul (and presumably Palpatine) where they're HMC candidates that were missed by the Order and trained from scratch may be the exception rather than the rule in this millennium.
Jecki Lon is an instant favourite for me, and not just because I've always liked the Theelin make-up design; there's just something dryly amusing about a sardonic, hyper-capable Padawan that routinely makes a certain Knight look like a bit of a bumbling amateur in comparison. Not that he's actually incompetent, just a little naive and easily flustered in the presence of a Master. Not unexpected given the time period that even some Knights are a little wet behind the ears.
I'm especially enjoying the unique (for Star Wars) feeling Jedi combat, and it feels very appropriate to keep the lightsaber action to a bare minimum, at least for now.
As cute as he is; I'm not clear on exactly what Pip's function is supposed to be. I mean yes, he's essentially a multi-tool, but we've yet to see why such a multi-tool needs to have a droid intelligence inside it. I guess he could offer diagnostic and computer interface functionality, or act as an interface for a built-in archive of tech manuals and can offer advice more than anything, but we'll just have to wait and see if that's the case.
A few trivia name drops here and there like Carlac from Clone Wars, CorpSec from the old Brian Daley Han Solo books, and the Barash Vow from the High Republic publishing end of things, but nothing that felt out of place, or in any danger of making casual fans feel like they're missing out. I'll admit though; I'm a tiny bit annoyed that they teased a visit to Nar Shaddaa, but didn't actually show it!
I get the feeling like the Jedi transport (the Polan, according to the databank) is this show's token practical model, just like the Razor Crest & the T-6. It just has that old Joe Johnston industrial design aesthetic, crossed with the more rounded Doug Chiang prequel look, as filtered through the classic ILM model-shop kitbashed look. Incidentally it's said to be of Lantillian design, with is a term that goes waaaay back to the old late 80's WEG RPG.
As for the central mystery; I'm going to try and not over analyse or attempt to anticipate it, and just see where the show takes me. That said, my current feeling is that Osha is the Sith Acolyte that's recruited Mae in a bid to supplant whoever the reigning Sith Master is right now . . . but that could just be what I'm supposed to think at this point, and the plot will take a few more turns before the end.
Yes and no. He'd already left the order by that point, though he was still welcome at the temple. Not that it makes a huge difference either way since he was actively colluding with Sidious, so it's not like he's actually going to tell anyone that Sith are still a thing.
Same logic applies to any Jedi that may have been turned by the Sith over the last thousand years. Indeed, it's a fair bet that a non-zero percent of the Sith Lords between Bane & Sidious had at least been Jedi Padawans at one point or another, if not Knights or Masters. Cases like Maul (and presumably Palpatine) where they're HMC candidates that were missed by the Order and trained from scratch may be the exception rather than the rule in this millennium.
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That's the prequel era Jedi all the time.
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I hope the mystery of what happened on Brendok 16 years ago is addressed soon. It greatly affected all the major characters, but we don’t know what it was, and I find that puts a wall between me and the characters.
When Mae goes to kill Torbin, we don’t know why she wants to kill him, why he needs absolution from her, why he says he’s been waiting for her for ten years, or why he drinks the poison. We see what the characters are doing, but all the whys remain hidden. It’s hard to understand or relate to any of the characters as long as the show plays coy with the Brendok incident that defines them.
When Mae goes to kill Torbin, we don’t know why she wants to kill him, why he needs absolution from her, why he says he’s been waiting for her for ten years, or why he drinks the poison. We see what the characters are doing, but all the whys remain hidden. It’s hard to understand or relate to any of the characters as long as the show plays coy with the Brendok incident that defines them.
That gold and white trim and fabric is taken straight out of the High Republic materials and The New Jedi Adventures cartoon.
"OMG! My dead sister is really alive!"
"OMG! Someone is killing our friends!"
"OMG! My old teacher from years ago has shown up and we have unresolved issues."
"OMG, my long lost sister is a killer!"
OMG, I'm rethinking my decision to leave the Order, especially since my current life sucks."
Plenty of relatable issues without knowing the entire mystery. That's why it's a mystery.
Perhaps it would be easier for some if they could read the end?
Really enjoyed the first two episodes...although I wish I hadn't been spoiled by io9 about Stenberg playing two characters just a week ago (granted it was in an article where Headland herself said it wasn't a spoiler but still). Regardless, Stenberg has done a great job differentiating Osha and Mae in their personalities and body language, which is good considering I was surprised the show chose to have both of them maintain the exact same hairstyle. Yeah, I know that happened to create the (albeit brief) tension of the Jedi Council thinking Osha murdered Indara, but it was still striking that they would have the same hair despite having very different upbringings. Not a big deal but it really stood out to me.
Speaking of Indara, the trailer sleuths were unfortunately right on the money (that's what I get for following along on such sleuthing) about her dying...and even before the main titles! That said, considering Dean-Charles Chapman's even smaller role, I highly suspect we'll get at least one flashback to that fateful fire, especially since we've already met young Osha and Mae through Force visions. Something terrible happened that day if Torbin was so willing to commit suicide when he was finally confronted by Mae.
After Osha and Mae, my favorite character of the show is easily Jecki and not just because I adore Dafne Keen. I always love smart, rambunctious characters...especially ones who can verbally put dweebs like Yord in their place. I look forward to seeing more of her and her journey as a padawan.
Speaking of Indara, the trailer sleuths were unfortunately right on the money (that's what I get for following along on such sleuthing) about her dying...and even before the main titles! That said, considering Dean-Charles Chapman's even smaller role, I highly suspect we'll get at least one flashback to that fateful fire, especially since we've already met young Osha and Mae through Force visions. Something terrible happened that day if Torbin was so willing to commit suicide when he was finally confronted by Mae.
After Osha and Mae, my favorite character of the show is easily Jecki and not just because I adore Dafne Keen. I always love smart, rambunctious characters...especially ones who can verbally put dweebs like Yord in their place. I look forward to seeing more of her and her journey as a padawan.
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