Terminator-210 "Strange Things Happen at the One Two Point" - D/G-SPO

[SalvorHardin]

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A very good episode of a very good and enjoyable show overall, so far.

Didn't see the twist with Riley coming.
And I do believe she is a human from the future. Not a Terminator like Cam, since 1) Cameron would have realized what she was and would have destroyed her 2) I doubt Jessie would work with a Terminator

And she must be from the future since among other things she said something like "This world has too many mirrors"

Nice to see Cromartie return even as John Henry.

Summer Glau was hotter than usual. Headey wasn't bad herself.
And I really like BAG so far. Who would have thought he was so good..huh

 

[misskim86]

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Average at best. I think they are getting WAY too many people from the future, it's reminding me of the South Park episode where everyone came from the future to find jobs.

Anyway the show hasn't been the same since they stopped with the high school stuff, I wish they would bring it back that was gold.

 

[John Picard]

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Average at best. I think they are getting WAY too many people from the future, it's reminding me of the South Park episode where everyone came from the future to find jobs.

Anyway the show hasn't been the same since they stopped with the high school stuff, I wish they would bring it back that was gold.

I agree about too many people coming from the future. IIRC, in the original Terminator movie, it required a lot of energy to send someone back in time. Energy that the resistance had very little to spare.

 

[Ryan8bit]

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^ Also, something I noted on rewatching the episode, Riley mentions that THIS world has a lot of mirrors. It was something that I didn't think of during the episode, but it somewhat supports her being from the future. Then again maybe she's an alien (I am making a stupid joke based upon an upcoming title being Earthlings Welcome Here).

Yeah, that title intrigues me. Good observation about "this world", and I'm sure you and most people online are right in the supposition that she is from the future. I just don't like it and don't find it logical. She fits in way too well, and this latest development seems like a way to spice up her character for shock value vs. being a sensible plot, especially since the intent was that the character be someone who is grounded and unaware of Judgment Day. Even though I'm not really fond of her character, I would've rather kept her as not having some secret agenda. It seems like everyone has a secret agenda, and I just don't like that method of storytelling. Riley didn't really need that, and all of her cultural references and ability to adapt to it seem too good of a cover for her to be from the future.

 

[nx1701g]

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^ I agree with you. For me this seems like not something to spice up the character (well partially) but more a "Fuck You" to Fox. Fox had mandated that she be separate from John's Terminator life and now she's an integral part of it.

 

[nx1701g]

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Well some bad news: Terminator lost roughly 700,000 viewers from the previous episode.

 

[David cgc]

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This twist was so abrupt, I wonder if the writers changed the storyline midway through after they saw how unpopular Riley was among the fan base.

They claim this was always the goal, and that the actress was told before they recorded her first scene about her secret agenda.

For someone who's supposed to be creating skynet, Weaver seems to go out of her way to teach her AI rules. I'm not so sure that John Henry isn't being created as a rival to skynet by either by the resistance who somehow reprogrammed a T-1001 or a group of machines with a different agenda than skynet.

That would explain why Skynet has spent as many resources this season on crippling or co-opting Weaver as they have on counter-resistance efforts. She doesn't seem to be operating with the support of the home office. Of course, neither was Cromartie, apparently, since he caught wind of the Ellisonator and decided that whatever Skynet hoped to accomplish by replacing Ellison, it couldn't have been as important as Cromartie's plan to let Ellison lead him to John Connor.

Actually, come to think of it, that seems unusually independently-minded for a Terminator. Maybe his chip's write-protection was turned off, either deliberately by Skynet to improve his odds of success, or as a result of damage after he was first blown up.

 

[nx1701g]

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For someone who's supposed to be creating skynet, Weaver seems to go out of her way to teach her AI rules. I'm not so sure that John Henry isn't being created as a rival to skynet by either by the resistance who somehow reprogrammed a T-1001 or a group of machines with a different agenda than skynet.

That would explain why Skynet has spent as many resources this season on crippling or co-opting Weaver as they have on counter-resistance efforts. She doesn't seem to be operating with the support of the home office. Of course, neither was Cromartie, apparently, since he caught wind of the Ellisonator and decided that whatever Skynet hoped to accomplish by replacing Ellison, it couldn't have been as important as Cromartie's plan to let Ellison lead him to John Connor.

Actually, come to think of it, that seems unusually independently-minded for a Terminator. Maybe his chip's write-protection was turned off, either deliberately by Skynet to improve his odds of success, or as a result of damage after he was first blown up.

Going with this I was just thinking of something. What if the Ellisonator's mission was directed mainly to infiltrate Zeira Corp in an effort to stop Weaver?

 

[zephramc]

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I guess we have a difference of philosophy as everything in the show points to their being a single CPU. The three-CPU theory would also make Cameron quite incompetent in her duties, as she has always pulled only one CPU from a T-888--like Vick--to "kill" it. I suppose one compromise would be that the redundant processors have reduced computing power and perhaps only serve in a support role to the primary CPU. Thus, without the main CPU, the terminator would cease to function, but backups of important data would still exist. Still, such a conception would make Cameron sloppy at best--even before suffering damage in the Jeep explosion.

Ultimately, I suppose these questions will be answered for us as the season continues, and I look forward to that.

I arrived at the same belief for the most part in regard to the three processors.

Of course this is only speculation, but think that the second and third processors (if they do indeed exist) are ancillary devices, much like a GPU in modern day PCs. The main CPU would offload tasks to either of the secondary processors (sensory data, targeting, body movements, whatever...).

I'm assuming that one secondary CPU exists somewhere in the torso as it was able to operate the headless Cromartie body once the primary CPU in the skull activated it, as seen in season 1. No guess as to where the third processor resides.

As far as Cameron being incompetent, I don't think so. She would be aware of the other processors, however as they only serve to augment the primary CPU, there's no need to remove them. Furthermore, it's likely that the terminator can function without the secondary processors as long as the primary is in-place, so why bother with #2 and #3 at all. It's also likely that all the terminator's programming, mission data, historic data (memories), as well as higher neural-net functions (such as learning, reasoning, etc...) exist only in the primary CPU. Once you've removed it, you've essentially killed that terminator. Only the original or another T-888 primary CPU could reactivate the "chipless" terminator body (or in the case of this episode, an infant AI).

 

[MNM]

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This twist was so abrupt, I wonder if the writers changed the storyline midway through after they saw how unpopular Riley was among the fan base.

They claim this was always the goal, and that the actress was told before they recorded her first scene about her secret agenda.

Writers always say this though, regardless of whether its actually true.

 

[Booji]

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above average
this was a cool episode. certainly didn't see that Riley/Jesse twist coming. That being said, the amount of peeps from the future is getting stupid. I love how they brought back Cromartie. John wasn't really emo this week. yaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!! i surprised how quickly they killed off the shrink. I gotta agree with the complaints about Ellison being naive in regards to Weaver. If that doesn't get rectified next week, I'll be a bit disappointed. I do not want to see him becoming a religious wakjob either. Been there already. Also, all the dames seemed extra hot this week. That is always good.

 

[BenRoethig]

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This twist was so abrupt, I wonder if the writers changed the storyline midway through after they saw how unpopular Riley was among the fan base.

They claim this was always the goal, and that the actress was told before they recorded her first scene about her secret agenda.

For someone who's supposed to be creating skynet, Weaver seems to go out of her way to teach her AI rules. I'm not so sure that John Henry isn't being created as a rival to skynet by either by the resistance who somehow reprogrammed a T-1001 or a group of machines with a different agenda than skynet.

That would explain why Skynet has spent as many resources this season on crippling or co-opting Weaver as they have on counter-resistance efforts. She doesn't seem to be operating with the support of the home office. Of course, neither was Cromartie, apparently, since he caught wind of the Ellisonator and decided that whatever Skynet hoped to accomplish by replacing Ellison, it couldn't have been as important as Cromartie's plan to let Ellison lead him to John Connor.

Actually, come to think of it, that seems unusually independently-minded for a Terminator. Maybe his chip's write-protection was turned off, either deliberately by Skynet to improve his odds of success, or as a result of damage after he was first blown up.

I think you have two different skynet directives in conflict here. Cromartie's is to terminate John Connor. According to his programming, there is no higher objective than terminating John Connor. Skynet would not be able to change this after he was sent back, so Cromartie would have to beleive that whatever mission skynet had sent the Ellison terminator would be secondary to his own.

 

[Wouter2]

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This twist was so abrupt, I wonder if the writers changed the storyline midway through after they saw how unpopular Riley was among the fan base.

They claim this was always the goal, and that the actress was told before they recorded her first scene about her secret agenda.

Writers always say this though, regardless of whether its actually true.

But there is a hint that it indeed is through, in that very first meeting. Remember that Riley used a very odd turn of speech, that caused John to remark "people don't say that"? And she did throw herself at John, that is entirely consistent with this reveal. When she first came over, she even "build him a protective robot" in his bedroom. That scene gets new meaning, now. I think the writers aren't lying.

That the viewer numbers are decreasing further is an injustice to the quality of the show, IMO. Tastes of the general public seem to differ alot from mine. Or that football season is just that good at attracting viewers, I suppose.

 

[oojason]

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Preview for Ep 11 (has a very big spoiler):-

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FRplgPmvMug

 

[Siwilliams]

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Another good episode, oh well for the ratings though

 

[Tim]

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Preview for Ep 11 (has a very big spoiler):-

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FRplgPmvMug

Shades of Twelve Monkeys.

Hmm...no Summer in a black dress.

 

[nx1701g]

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Another good episode, oh well for the ratings though

I'm hoping Dancing with the Stars being over may help somewhat. I'm hoping anyway.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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you what three read dots means to me?

Predators.

You have a predator turn up in the final scene to the last episode and...

Just see how long this show will be cancelled as people figure out that the next step is to bring in the Aliens.

 

[Siwilliams]

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Another good episode, oh well for the ratings though

I'm hoping Dancing with the Stars being over may help somewhat. I'm hoping anyway.

Still the move to Friday is not good. Any idea how the season 1 dvds have sold?

 

[highlander]

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you what three read dots means to me?

Predators.

You have a predator turn up in the final scene to the last episode and...

Just see how long this show will be cancelled as people figure out that the next step is to bring in the Aliens.

That would be a fan-boy wet dream!!! Terminators vs Predators vs Aliens. That would be a real sci-fi battle royale!!!