Spoilers Supernatural season 14

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  1. tnpir4002

    tnpir4002 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Okay...verdict...tonight's show was FAR better than the midseason finale, and by all rights THIS would've worked as the midseason finale a lot better. It ended on a genuine cliffhanger instead of a contrived one, and there's some actual suspense this time around.

    Only one thing really bothers me...remember when Crowley sprung Sam from the fantasy that Gadreel trapped him in? Practically the first thing he said was "Poughkeepsie." That forces me to wonder why, now that Sam is on the other side of it, he waited so long to say it.
     
  2. auntiehill

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    I really enjoyed this episode; it had the right tension, the right pacing & tone, and the characters were far more believable, acting the way they *should* rather than what was convenient for the script.

    This makes me happy--the show feels back on track. We'll see how it goes from here.
     
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  3. tnpir4002

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    Also: YAY for Cas using angel powers to hold the door shut. Seems like displays of angel powers have been dwindling the last few years (before he and Lucifer broke out of Asmodeus' cells, when was the last time we actually saw Cas smiting? Just about every angel or demon death we've seen was because of an angel blade).

    On the other hand...why was he struggling to hold the doors shut? A regular-tier angel I could understand given how many monsters there were, but a seraphim? I seem to recall in season 6 he obliterated an entire diner full of monsters with almost no effort at all (at least once Eve died).

    It's been said before, but I'll say it again: the degree to which angels (and even archangels) have been nerfed is incredible, and not in a good way.
     
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  4. RJDiogenes

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    ^^ I agree. I can think of no reason for Cass's reduced power level, unless it's a result of being consigned to the Big Empty.

    This was a good episode. "I'm the cage." :rommie:

    But it's almost inevitable that Michael will escape. Things are pretty grim when Billie starts breaking the rules, first transporting the boys away from the monster attack and then giving Dean the hardcover edition of the only future that doesn't result in the end of the world. And you know that to bring about that one future will involve some act of complete desperation-- like resurrecting Lucifer.

    And they have left the Angel storyline alone for a while now, so I hope they address it soon. I wonder what conditions are like in Heaven. There aren't many options left now that Jack is no longer capable of making new Angels-- at least not without destroying himself. I still think we're going to see the Big Empty get emptied of everyone that's been sent there. Maybe that's how Daddy Winchester will make his return-- maybe he got sent to the Big Empty for some reason.
     
  5. Farscape One

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    I wonder if Dean will end up in, or try to go to, the Big Empty as a means to stop Michael for good. That might be what he read in that book.
     
  6. RJDiogenes

    RJDiogenes Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion Premium Member

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    That's a great idea. That could end up being the season cliffhanger.
     
  7. auntiehill

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    Thank Chuck It's Thursday!
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    Can't wait to see what happens next. If they can keep up the pacing and tension from the last episode, I will be pleased.
     
  8. Snick27

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    Cant they just take all of the grace out of Dean to kill Michael? Worse it kills both Michael and Dean and then just bring back Dean. Or open a portal with the grace and ship Dean there to another universe, or have Jack power up and kill Dean if need be. Or have Death put Dean into a cage. I really don't understand this show anymore. So many options.
    If Crowley was still around, he could build a body for Michael and stuff him into it like he did for Lucifer.
     
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    I've seen the prospect of extracting Michael's grace mentioned in a few places, and it's a good idea in theory, but there's one sticking point: what happens to Dean once that happens?

    Follow me on this one. When Cas lost his grace in season 9, Jimmy's soul was already in Heaven (it was implied to have happened when Lucifer exploded him in "Swan Song"), so there was no competing consciousness to worry about. Even in season 5, when Cas became essentially powerless, there were a lot of unanswered questions.

    So...would Michael become Dean's second personality, resulting in a nasty form of multiple-personality disorder? Would Michael's grace regenerate? (Note that pre-season 13, I'd have said no, since when they took Metatron's grace he was implied to be human forever.)
     
  10. tnpir4002

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    First 60 seconds of tonight's show:

    1 minute. 1 scene with Nick. 1 demon killing with an angel blade.

    So far so good.
     
  11. auntiehill

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    A very satisfying episode: lots of set-up up, wrapping up Nick"s story (for now?) and giving us lots of wonderful Dean angst, some time with Donna (love her!) and Mom's secret demon-hunting stash. :bolian:
     
  12. tnpir4002

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    Verdict: I wanted to like this episode. I really did. But aside from a few moments that really sang, tonight just fell flat for me.

    Yes, I like seeing Mary and Nick square off and engage in a battle of wits, but I'm just not a fan of Sheriff Donna (sorry to those that are). Yes, I loved seeing Abraxis being genuinely menacing (his moment in the spotlight reminded me of the old days when demons were a genuine threat).

    But...killing him so quickly with an angel blade? Nick killing the other demon in the teaser worked because it was so shocking, but Abraxis has been a living McGuffin for a good chunk of the season, and offing him that fast seems wrong.

    The part I did like was Dean admitting the inside information he got from Billie and taking a firm stance on what to do about it, and telling Sam directly instead of making up a story. I also liked how we got a glimpse of what Michael being in his head is doing to him, and openly acknowledging that it's an ongoing struggle to keep him trapped.

    Next week's show looks like it'll be a lot better.

    (And...was I the only one who blinked and missed Sam's "unimaginable choice" tonight? Yes, he agreed to help Dean follow through on his intentions, but there's not really much alternative.)
     
  13. Snick27

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    Just spit balling it here but couldn't Sam and Dean get ahold of the British Men of Letters and ask them for help? If Dean where to get shot and die right now, would his spirt go to heaven leaving just Michael? Lastly weird I don't see them bringing up why neither Chuck or Amara is here helping them. Another thing, just spit balling again, they sprung Lucifer from the cage, so cant they get our Michael out and put him in Dean too and have the 2 Michaels go at it?
    Or better yet, have Cas get ahold of the guy from the Empty and have him come get Michael out of Dean.
     
  14. auntiehill

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    The guy from The Empty is a bad guy; he wouldn't help anyone without a very high price. Our Michael was reduced to shreds by Lucifer-- not even enough of him left for Chuck to fix him. However, I do think that Chuck is/will be involved because when Dean screamed to the sky to help, to bring Cas back, Cas came back. I think having an alternate-universe Michael trying to destroy the planet is enough to get Dad's attention, too.
     
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    "We only hug when it's literally the end of the world." :rommie:

    This was a good episode, with a lot of stuff going on and an ominous feeling of imminent doom. It was pretty clear that Dean was saying good-bye to everybody (which made the absence of Cass and Jack all the more glaring, but budgets are budgets). The disappearance of unspecified books and Dean's mysterious work in the shed unfolded nicely, leading up to his-- or rather, Billie's-- solution to encroaching Apocalypse.

    Nick's presence, and entire storyline, seemed odd and ill fitting, so I'm thinking it's not over yet. I'm wondering if Sam's speech at the end got through to him, now that Abraxis is dead. My current theory is that Nick will volunteer to host Michael and he is the one who will end up at the bottom of the ocean in the magic coffin.

    I was really fearing for Donna's life there for a few minutes. I'm glad they didn't kill her off. Maybe they've finally learned their lesson about killing off beloved characters.

    My big question about this episode was, why couldn't Mary beat up Nick? She's fought all kinds of monsters for years, and he's just a regular guy now.

    I was wondering if Cass could just physically bring Dean to Heaven and then they could lock Michael in one of those rooms or in a new cage. That would solve the problem and help keep the lights on.
     
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    @RJDiogenes : I was having a minor panic-attack over the thought that they might kill Donna off! :lol:

    They better NOT. I don't think I could take it.
     
  17. Terok Nor

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    Michael and Nick is so going to happen.

    I really liked this episode. The demon was scary for once. Nick too, actually.
     
  18. RJDiogenes

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    Same here. That would piss me off as much as Bobby and Charlie. :rommie:
     
  19. Farscape One

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    Killing off Bobby was the single biggest mistake the series ever did.

    I can forgive the SUPERNATURAL writers for a LOT of things, but I never have forgiven them for that.
     
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    New episode tonight! Can't wait.


    The promo doesn't give us much to go on, so it's really just a matter of how he will be save and by whom...or what....or...whatever.