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Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion
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Grade: B-
Lex Luthor has a Superman clone. The TV show just did that. Lex wants land, yawn. Not really any ground breaking Superman stuff in this film. The best parts are not Superman related. Rex/Metamorpho, Mr. Terrific, Guy Gardner. Hawkgirl got the shortest shrift but has potential.
Lex putting beat downs on Supes in an essentially large controller is just....blah. He is Super Street Fighter combo move and that beats him? I expected to hear some silly voiceover or intercom say "FINISH HIM".
Lex Luthor has a Superman clone. The TV show just did that. Lex wants land, yawn. Not really any ground breaking Superman stuff in this film. The best parts are not Superman related. Rex/Metamorpho, Mr. Terrific, Guy Gardner. Hawkgirl got the shortest shrift but has potential.
Lex putting beat downs on Supes in an essentially large controller is just....blah. He is Super Street Fighter combo move and that beats him? I expected to hear some silly voiceover or intercom say "FINISH HIM".
I haven't seen it yet but I suspect Superman:The Movie will still be my favorite even if i like this new one
I don't think he actually cared about the land. it was just an element in a bigger plan.
Not sure I understand this complaint? Luthor studied him, built a clone of him and was able between the two to hold his own against Superman. It was all clearly spelled out.
I mean, it’s not like he says so explicitly or anything.
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I watched this. It is good. The best part is it sticking to Superman being actually a super good guy just as a person, who belives in the inherent goodness of people (yeah, I know, but it's a movie so it doesn't have to be realistic!) and will do stuff like saving a squirrel in the middle of a fight. I think the pay-off to this is him inspiring the Justice Gang to save Generic Victim Country at the end and telling off Lex so that is all done well. Corenswet I think is very good at playing this version of the character and you can see exactly why he was cast.
It is definitely not without issues, like, for example, some of it looking pretty bad! The flying is...not always good. The fight with the goofy Godzilla thing really stands out as looking ugly as fuck! There's a bit where some skyscrapers fall like dominoes and man that looks bad. I hate Michael Bay's Transformers movies but how come he was able to make buildings falling over look so much more convincing over a decade ago? I wonder how much of it is WB deciding on a release date that Gunn had to stick to or just that they don't spend as much on movies now because they don't make as much money anymore.
The action scenes are kind of just "good enough" too? Maybe I'm being too harsh and they looked better in the cinema. The bit where he spins round shooting his heat vision is cool (but was in the trailer.) Mr. Terrific gets the best action moment and even that is kind of just Yondu with his arrow from Guardians.
NIcholas Hoult is great as Lex, but I did wish we got a little background on him or more scenes of him on his own. Obviously most viewers are going in knowing that Lex is an evil bald billionaire who hates Superman, and that's fine, but maybe they could have done more to give this version something unique. I liked when he readily admitted to being jealous of Superman.
Lois was...sadly underwhelming? Her best scene is at the start when she's interviewing Superman. After that she just feels kind of there? She talks about being PUNK ROCK and liking LOTS OF SUGAR but it never really shows in the performance. She doesn't seem fiesty or righteously angry enough. Elizabeth Tulloch from Superman and Lois could have pulled it off better, sorry! But maybe the problem is she just didn't get enough to do. Jimmy felt more important to the story that her by the end.
Mr. Terrific was great, the actor nailed it. Hope he spins-off into something. Nathan Fillion was good fun too. Would have liked a bit more of Hawkgirl to contextualise her murdering Putinyahu. I liked Metamorpho.
Krypto was great, no notes. I hope Milly Alcock's Supergirl isn't drunk all the time in her movie (I'm sure she won't be.)
Ma and Pa Kent seeming like they'd just discovered electricity a week ago was an odd choice. If I was from Kansas I'd feel a bit insulted. Pa did have one good bit and I loved Clark watching the home movies at the end.
Overall it's a good start to a new universe but not a blow away all time great comic book movie.
It is definitely not without issues, like, for example, some of it looking pretty bad! The flying is...not always good. The fight with the goofy Godzilla thing really stands out as looking ugly as fuck! There's a bit where some skyscrapers fall like dominoes and man that looks bad. I hate Michael Bay's Transformers movies but how come he was able to make buildings falling over look so much more convincing over a decade ago? I wonder how much of it is WB deciding on a release date that Gunn had to stick to or just that they don't spend as much on movies now because they don't make as much money anymore.
The action scenes are kind of just "good enough" too? Maybe I'm being too harsh and they looked better in the cinema. The bit where he spins round shooting his heat vision is cool (but was in the trailer.) Mr. Terrific gets the best action moment and even that is kind of just Yondu with his arrow from Guardians.
NIcholas Hoult is great as Lex, but I did wish we got a little background on him or more scenes of him on his own. Obviously most viewers are going in knowing that Lex is an evil bald billionaire who hates Superman, and that's fine, but maybe they could have done more to give this version something unique. I liked when he readily admitted to being jealous of Superman.
Lois was...sadly underwhelming? Her best scene is at the start when she's interviewing Superman. After that she just feels kind of there? She talks about being PUNK ROCK and liking LOTS OF SUGAR but it never really shows in the performance. She doesn't seem fiesty or righteously angry enough. Elizabeth Tulloch from Superman and Lois could have pulled it off better, sorry! But maybe the problem is she just didn't get enough to do. Jimmy felt more important to the story that her by the end.
Mr. Terrific was great, the actor nailed it. Hope he spins-off into something. Nathan Fillion was good fun too. Would have liked a bit more of Hawkgirl to contextualise her murdering Putinyahu. I liked Metamorpho.
Krypto was great, no notes. I hope Milly Alcock's Supergirl isn't drunk all the time in her movie (I'm sure she won't be.)
Ma and Pa Kent seeming like they'd just discovered electricity a week ago was an odd choice. If I was from Kansas I'd feel a bit insulted. Pa did have one good bit and I loved Clark watching the home movies at the end.
Overall it's a good start to a new universe but not a blow away all time great comic book movie.
Perhaps and I'm sure acquiring land in EVERY film is part of a bigger plan. It is old hat at this point is my take.
I'm saying I found it lame. I read the letters that formed the words of the "Giant Game Controller Center" Lex built and thought it was poor. Glad anyone else liked it but just cause others gush doesn't mean we all won't see something different.
Mr. Terrific was the best part of the whole movie. Add in Plastic Man and give me a Terrifics movie.
Point was it’s a means to an end. In the others it was the goal. Getting rich through real estate. In this he doesn’t actually care about the money, the land or anything outside of destroying Superman.
Plus it’s a slight nod to the first film.
I must have really low expectations, because thought that all looked absolutely fantastic. But that seems to happens to me a lot, I'm constantly watching movies and shows and being absolutely blown away by how great the CGI effects were, and then coming on here and seeing people calling them some of the worst effects they've ever seen.
It wasn't really the look of the kaiju itself I was complaining about, more the whole sequence not looking very good or convincing to me. There was no sense of scale or feeling that it was actually stomping around a real city. But that's just me. The buildings fall over late just look straight up awful though.
No, he doesn't. That's the gag.
Spoiler (not really): Eve Teschmacher is not a dummy, either.
But Gunn knew what the audience expected them to be, and used it.
I thought at first it was struggling to find its footing but around the time that the gang were fighting the "imp" outside the window that it started becoming a Gunn movie for better or worse and stepped out of the shadow of all the legacy. I think GOTG was Gunn's most natural work maybe because it was anchored by classic rock instead of the punk that seems to fuel his later stuff. Superman and punk rock are strange bedfellows if you ask me but it was more interesting to watch and deconstruct than his attempts at reverence which fell flat.
I'm torn on the whole media res jumping into things. I can appreciate just jumping in there but it made it hard to believe this was Supes first defeat or whatever with him getting his ass handed to him over and over. I know they are trying to trim the fat but the lack of acknowledgement over Kryptonian-level threats gives a feeling of detachment to everything.
On the other hand, the second half does deliver lots of crazy moments which I do like, just not sure Superman is the right vehicle for them.
-- Somewhere along the line I've developed a pet peeve for opening text. I don't think I've ever seen a movie that actually benefits from it.
-- Krypto reminds me a lot of my sister's stupid dog so I could relate. I'm glad he's happy to see me but getting his front claws pounded into my chest and then my feet stepped on by his big paws was never fun.
-- Before 2025, I might've found it hard to believe that the public would buy Luthor's story on blind faith but not anymore (sadly)
-- Luthor and the doughnuts felt like something Eisenberg's Luthor might've done
-- The Boravia conflict at the end Superman torturing the leader and letting Hawkgirl off him also didn't feel right.
-- I can't be the only one watching this who thought of Black Noir, right?
I'm torn on the whole media res jumping into things. I can appreciate just jumping in there but it made it hard to believe this was Supes first defeat or whatever with him getting his ass handed to him over and over. I know they are trying to trim the fat but the lack of acknowledgement over Kryptonian-level threats gives a feeling of detachment to everything.
On the other hand, the second half does deliver lots of crazy moments which I do like, just not sure Superman is the right vehicle for them.
-- Somewhere along the line I've developed a pet peeve for opening text. I don't think I've ever seen a movie that actually benefits from it.
-- Krypto reminds me a lot of my sister's stupid dog so I could relate. I'm glad he's happy to see me but getting his front claws pounded into my chest and then my feet stepped on by his big paws was never fun.
-- Before 2025, I might've found it hard to believe that the public would buy Luthor's story on blind faith but not anymore (sadly)
-- Luthor and the doughnuts felt like something Eisenberg's Luthor might've done
-- The Boravia conflict at the end Superman torturing the leader and letting Hawkgirl off him also didn't feel right.
-- I can't be the only one watching this who thought of Black Noir, right?
I don't recall Superman having a say in the matter.
Read Action Comics #1 for some more "extreme" Superman...well, actions.
I’m not sure backing dude into a cactus qualifies as torture. As far as Hawkgirl goes? She’s from a different world with different values and she handled the leader based on those values. Much like Worf handled Duras based on Klingon cultural values.
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