Spoilers Superman (2025) Grade and Discussion

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

I finally saw this yesterday, though I neglected to refresh my memory in advance for cast information. Not for the first time, I was watching ''Chameleon Boy'' Nicholas Hoult without realizing it.....plus his old partner in FIRST CLASS Edi Gathegi. Two Fortress of Solitude ice stalagmites way up.

 

[ichab]

 

[The Realist]

I did think, however, that the occassional "gosh" and "golly" he utters felt forced.

Felt natural to me. Which was charming.

Agreed. I noted the first one arrived within the first few minutes, but I liked that they were never signposted or emphasized, just there in a low-key way that felt both humorous and affectionate.

Are Hawkgirl's wings natural or part of her outfit? When she was lounging around the Hall of Justice, there was no sign of them. I don't know much about the character, so I wasn't sure.

I think Gunn may have said somewhere they are magical. They are not supposed to be part of her outfit in any case.

Also, when Supes zaps the flying soldiers, they all were moving around after they hit the ground. There's no way they'd be alive after falling from even half that height.

Comicbook tech/physics. We’re clearly supposed to accept that Luthor’s armor protects the wearer just that effectively. Which I did with zero problem.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think Gunn may have said somewhere they are magical. They are not supposed to be part of her outfit in any case.

Winged heroes are always a pain on the page and the screen. The damned wings always fill up the image. So they need a way to disappear when not in use. They tend to not fold up neatly like actual birds.

 

[Noname Given]

Making him an AI from Krypton is a very recent development. He's from Colu as far as I'm concerned.

That's Braniac 5 - not the original Braniac.

 

[Mudd]

Superman Returns exemplifies - and for all I know, is the original usage of - a "soft reboot."

For a term and a thing that "doesn't exist," according to some, "soft reboot" has managed to find its way into academic usage.

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[BillJ]

Superman Returns exemplifies - and for all I know, is the original usage of - a "soft reboot."

Wasn't it supposed to be a sequel to the first two films? Not acknowledging the existence of three and four? Feels like a soft reboot to me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's Braniac 5 - not the original Braniac.

Nah, Brainiac was created on Colu. Brainiac 5 is the descendant of a Coluan who was Brainiac's "son."

Though this was the third origin given for Brainiac and the one that stuck.

 

[ichab]

Wasn't it supposed to be a sequel to the first two films? Not acknowledging the existence of three and four? Feels like a soft reboot to me.

You are correct. It was a sequel to 1 and 2 and ignored the other films. I believe it was the first time a franchise had tried this approach.

 

[Commander Troi]

James Gunn Shares Update On Wonder Woman Casting & Reports About Film Being “Fast-Tracked” After ‘Superman’ Release

James Gunn is clearing up reports about the future of Wonder Woman as his DC Universe takes shape on the big screen following the release of Superman.

deadline.com

I'm glad to read that Gunn wants a good script before he'll even think about casting.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I did think, however, that the occassional "gosh" and "golly" he utters felt forced.

Felt natural to me. Which was charming.

On the whole, I think it's just swell.


Went for the third time tonight. They had another screening in English on my day off, so I just had to. Probably will go at least one more time. Maybe with my mom, if I can talk her into it (she didn't like the teaser trailer when I showed her because of the injured Superman).

 

[Dick Whitman]

Meeting Clark’s parents showed that how he speaks completely makes sense.

Much has been made of how little see we of “Clark Kent Reporter”. But every time we see him with Lois he is Clark. Regardless of that interview being with “Superman”. Same with his parents. Much is made of klutzy Clark. What we did see corny and old fashioned is not that far from he is as Superman. Why should he the glasses…

I always saw it as simple differences between personal and professional lives. There are things he would do and say as Clark that he would never do as Superman. With the opposite the same too.

 

[JD]

ETA: I thought of this after I posted.

Are Hawkgirl's wings natural or part of her outfit? When she was lounging around the Hall of Justice, there was no sign of them. I don't know much about the character, so I wasn't sure.

I think in most versions they are a part of her, and they either disappear or fold up against her back.

Also, when Supes zaps the flying soldiers, they all were moving around after they hit the ground. There's no way they'd be alive after falling from even half that height.

Those suits are made to fight aliens like Superman, so I could see them being tough to help the wearer survive fall like. I've been wondering if the Lex's soldiers' armor might eventually lead to the Lex's green warsuit that he uses a lot in the comics.

 

[theenglish]

I think in most versions they are a part of her, and they either disappear or fold up against her back.

In most versions of the Hawks, they also have lives without wings.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I don't know what versions those are supposed to be. The ones I know treat the wings as seperate, made from Nth metal that gives the ability to fly.

 

[theenglish]

I don't know what versions those are supposed to be. The ones I know treat the wings as seperate, made from Nth metal that gives the ability to fly.

I just meant that the wings are not part of their bodies like they are with Dawnstar or Angel.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think in most versions they are a part of her, and they either disappear or fold up against her back.

In the Golden, Silver and Bronze Ages they were mechanical and held on with a harness. Not sure when that changed, but it’s probably recent, with in the last few decades.

 

[Dick Whitman]

I am positive no one else has made this connection. During Lois & Clark’s 4th season New Krypton arc Lois has to pose as Lord Kal-El’s concubine. Which is established as part of Kryptonian customs. The show somewhat followed the Byrne era of Krypton being a Feudal system ruled by family Houses. Including arranged marriages. So the idea of Krypton having its own ideas marriage and reproduction is not new.

The big difference with L&C and Byrne was there was a colony of Kryptonian survivors. Which bothered some fans for breaking “The Last Son of Krypton”. But for most of the characters history that is more an inaccurate marketing label than reflection of actual lore. The list of survivors is endless, won’t list all but a few big ones - Supergirl, Phantom Zone criminals, Argo City( for awhile) bottle City of Kandor. Around 2006 Kurt Busiek introduced idea of Krypton having ancient deep space program and colonies. Which was abandoned before long isolation which lead to most (not all) stuck on planet by time of its destruction. Of course that certainly left unanswered questions of offshoot races. Sometimes Daxamites. All of which predates similar ideas in 2013’s Man of Steel movie.

There is a lot more to Krypton than most realize.

 

[EmoBorg]

I just saw the movie. Tbh, i still prefer Henry Cavil as superman compared to David Corenswet even though the new guy did not do a bad job as the superhero. Rachel Brosnahan was good as Lois Lane and Nicholas Hoult was terrific as Lex Luthor.

Overall while it is not as good as the 2013 Man of Steel movie IMHO, as i prefer a darker theme, it is still worth going to the cinema for. James Gunn definitely imprinted his syle on this movie. If you like Guardians of the Galaxy, then you would like this movie.

 

[Captaindemotion]

I just posted in the MCU thread about former Thing Michael Chiklis wishing the new FF movie well and now here’s a former Superman singing the praises of this film:

Brandon Routh on ‘Ick’ and Why David Corenswet Is a ‘Fantastic’ Superman: ‘I Cried No Less Than Three Times’

Brandon Routh says David Corenswet is a 'fantastic' superman.

variety.com