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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5

On another note, SupermanHomepage.com has as its weekly poll question, "How do you feel about Season 6 being the final season of 'Supergirl'?" Currently, the leading answer (almost 30 percent of respondents) is, "Extremely happy!" :wtf:

Not a shocker, if true.

I assume this is either because of the show's progressive politics, or because of the familiar insecure man-children who have never gotten over Clark losing a fight to Kara (or both). It saddens and disappoints me that a fandom devoted to such positive characters and ideals can be so toxic and petty.

Not as petty as those who have overused and often misapplied insults such as "man-children" or "man babies" (with all of the negative implications of that) yet scream out if anyone points that out (hypocritical in the extreme) or discuss issues with that which they champion.

Supergirl may not be perfect, but it has celebrated the spirit of Superman and his world with enormous heart and pride for five seasons. It deserves better than so-called fans cheering its demise.

So, they are "so-called fans" because they do not see the series as you do? This--of course--completely ignores real problems with the show, its handling of certain plots, characters, etc. Nope--"real fans" are supposed to support it no matter what. That's not fandom. It is bordering on fanaticism. There's certain MCU fans who share that mindset, and its as far removed from healthy as one can get.
 
The point is not that Supergirl should be appreciated and respected by Superman fans uncritically. The point is that the specific "criticisms" I cite are unfounded, and unbecoming to people who supposedly embrace the character of Superman and the ideals he represents -- ideals that Supergirl has embodied throughout its run.

The storytelling may have faltered at times, and is fair game for complaint. I've done my share of it. But complaining about the show's progressivism, or its failure to satisfy some macho-crotch perception of Superman, shows how little some fans truly understand the character they purport to admire.

No one is "Extremely happy!" a series is ending simply because they don't enjoy the storytelling. That's a reason to tune out, not to celebrate its cancellation. They're "Extremely happy!" because they have an axe to grind.
 
Yeah, anybody who has problem with way the show had dealt with issues has completely misunderstood what the show has been about from the beginning, and also completely misunderstands what characters like Supergirl and Superman are supposed to represent. If they don't like it, then maybe they'd be better off reading Frank Miller's later work.
 
Yeah, anybody who has problem with way the show had dealt with issues has completely misunderstood what the show has been about from the beginning, and also completely misunderstands what characters like Supergirl and Superman are supposed to represent. If they don't like it, then maybe they'd be better off reading Frank Miller's later work.
Hitler complained about Superman.

Jewish propaganda.
 
The storytelling may have faltered at times, and is fair game for complaint. I've done my share of it. But complaining about the show's progressivism

The same "progressive" show that treated its black lead as a marginalized token season after season (not understanding one damn thing about writing a black male character (and their attempts to do so were weak and offensive in its gross ignorance) until he was unceremoniously booted from the show. there's no excuse for that shit, nor will there ever be.

or its failure to satisfy some macho-crotch perception of Superman, shows how little some fans truly understand the character they purport to admire.

Again with the insults.Your one perception of Superman is just that; I'm not sure how much of Superman's published history kirk prime, et al.,have read, but I have nearly all of his Golden, Silver and Bronze age comics (main title and Action) and he's often been the character members like that are talking about.

No one is "Extremely happy!" a series is ending simply because they don't enjoy the storytelling. That's a reason to tune out, not to celebrate its cancellation. They're "Extremely happy!" because they have an axe to grind.

So you can speak for those people and know their every thought on the matter? It is quite natural for some people to be extremely happy a show is being put out of its misery, rather than see it go on and on and on, producing more terrible content that will (if it has not already) outweigh whatever good there happened to be (see:.Happy Days and its spinoffs, namely Laverne and Shirley).
 
I'm not sure how Jimmy Olson was treated badly. I mean he became less important as the show went on but didn't every character sort of have that happen after season 2. They went hard into the Supergirl and Lena friendship to a point where it took away a little from all the characters. Even Alex got sort of sidetracked with a boring "I want babies" arc and then they hooked her up with Olson's boring sister. They took away lots of badass early stuff and never really replaced the impact of Maggie leaving the show.

Jason
 
I think the issue is that James was written generically. He could have been a white guy, or any other ethnicity.
 
I think the issue is that James was written generically. He could have been a white guy, or any other ethnicity.

Not so. They took a number of opportunities to acknowledge racial issues. Notably, in the first-season episode where James hung up a car as a "punching bag" for Supergirl to work out her anger issues, he talked about how he wasn't free to express his anger in public like a white man would be, for fear of getting shot by the cops. And in the story arc about his decision to unmask as Guardian, part of what factored into his decision was the importance of presenting himself as a positive role model for black kids.

But neither was he defined exclusively as "the black guy," so it didn't come up in situations where it wasn't relevant, which would ideally be most situations.
 
I'm not sure how Jimmy Olson was treated badly. I mean he became less important as the show went on but didn't every character sort of have that happen after season 2. They went hard into the Supergirl and Lena friendship to a point where it took away a little from all the characters. Even Alex got sort of sidetracked with a boring "I want babies" arc and then they hooked her up with Olson's boring sister. They took away lots of badass early stuff and never really replaced the impact of Maggie leaving the show.

Jason

As I've explained before, James Olsen, was a largely marginalized token so the showrunners could crow about how diverse the show was, instead of actually knowing/exploring the unique way in which this James would operate in that world. James' life and identity meant nothing to the showrunners (frankly, they knew absolutely nothing about it), and his characterization was such thin, human wallpaper to the degree that few cared about his departure from the series.

Not once was he written by anyone who would have him act in life as a black male dealing with issues (on the street, on the job or as Guardian) truly unique to his world view, and that no one other character would have a clue about--much like the oh-so-progressive writers. It was easier to give him a Very Special Episode (and a half) that was utterly devoid of substance / awareness about his position/perspective in life, then sweep him under the carpet, since he never represented the issues they really care about. As a black character, he was always in last place--exactly where the white liberal showrunner wanted him, which was an insulting kick in the face to innumerable black viewers I know in person and on social media.

This is in no way comparable to Alex, who is not only remains on the show, but had more character and sociopolitical exploration in any handful of episodes than James Olsen's entire time on the series. The same (where development / understanding / interest were concerned) with Wynn (as a series regular and guest star), and Lena. The message was loud and clear and as i've said in the Star Wars forum, it bears a number of parallels to John Boyega's bold, truthful complaints about how he (and his character) were treated in the Star Wars sequels.

Not a coincidence.

I think the issue is that James was written generically. He could have been a white guy, or any other ethnicity.

Exaclty. There was nothing building and addressing his identity as a black male as he moved through episodes, whiile other characters were given development gold tickets from the start, but again, this is what happens when the character was intended to be a token for their credit--not his, or black viewers.
 
I really agree with the John Boyega stuff. Character wise he had the most interesting backstory of the new characters with the only one being close was Kylo Ren. They made him slight comic relief but didn't even really commit to even that and totally ignored his backstory as a Storm Trooper or the fact that the people who were recruited were people being exploited. Then for the third movie he is just tagging along doing nothing of interest at all. Rey was basically just stock action hero and Poe was a kind of less interesting Han Solo.


Jason
 
Disappointed to hear that the show will end, but completely understandable given Melissa's new baby and the uncertainty surrounding COVID in the years to come.

Looking forward to a good final season (hopefully with an appropriately powered Supergirl ;)) and also looking forward to Melissa's next acting/singing endeavour, whatever and whenever that may be.
 
Trains and bullets should be the other way around.

In all seriousness though, this being the last season, I hope they do go the extra mile and aren't afraid of spending a bit more on CGI to really give us a visual treat along with (hopefully) more compelling writing than what we saw in Season 5.

Good stories + good visuals = an appropriate sendoff for a good series. :)
 
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