Hey - it's NOT our Earth...maybe on Earth 1 the U.S. and Canadian mailbox paint schemes are swapped.
Spoilers Supergirl - Season 5
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Along with the postal...I mean “ZIP” codes? (Look at the photo a few posts earlier.) Perhaps. At any rate, the Canada Post boxes are better looking.Hey - it's NOT our Earth...maybe on Earth 1 the U.S. and Canadian mailbox paint schemes are swapped.
Ummm...that's "advertising" on Earth-38?Along with the postal...I mean “ZIP” codes? (Look at the photo a few posts earlier.) Perhaps. At any rate, the Canada Post boxes are better looking.
They're out of focus though, so they could really be anything you want in-universe.
I finally watched the last episode this morning and was kind meh on it.
I do like the Malefic stuff, and the way they got around making all of the characters Martians in the flashbacks kinda cracked me up.
The whole thing with Rojas refusing real news in favor of click bait crap is just getting repetitive and annoying at this point.
The whole tattoo alien was kind of an interesting idea, but that whole storyline ended up feeling really shallow. We did get the reveal that Day is apparently working for someone, my first thought would be Leviathan, but that was about it.
I usually don't mind the relationship stuff, but for some reason the Brainy/Nia stuff so far this season just isn't working for me.
I was really shocked that Kara was so quick to just break into the military facility and steal Lex's journals, without any real hesitation. I understand that she wants to make up with Lena, but I just would have expected her to have a bit more of trouble deciding if it really was the right thing to do, or try to find another way to let Lena see them before she just broke in and stole them.
I do like the Malefic stuff, and the way they got around making all of the characters Martians in the flashbacks kinda cracked me up.
The whole thing with Rojas refusing real news in favor of click bait crap is just getting repetitive and annoying at this point.
The whole tattoo alien was kind of an interesting idea, but that whole storyline ended up feeling really shallow. We did get the reveal that Day is apparently working for someone, my first thought would be Leviathan, but that was about it.
I usually don't mind the relationship stuff, but for some reason the Brainy/Nia stuff so far this season just isn't working for me.
I was really shocked that Kara was so quick to just break into the military facility and steal Lex's journals, without any real hesitation. I understand that she wants to make up with Lena, but I just would have expected her to have a bit more of trouble deciding if it really was the right thing to do, or try to find another way to let Lena see them before she just broke in and stole them.
Thoughts/notes on Season 5 so far:
* My biggest worry going into the season was Lena being unfairly angry at Kara to an unjustifiable degree, and while she is certainly continuing to keep her secrets and is exaggerating the status of her and Kara's friemdship, she hasn't done anything that she can't "come back from" and remain "on the side of the angels"
* Lena naming her custom A.I. "Hope" is a reference to one of Lex's bodyguards in the pre-Flashpoint DCU
* I'm honestly surprised that Sean Astin's guest appearance on the show didn't get discovered before it happened, since there's evidence that at least one random person knew about it months ago
* I'm going to be sad to lose James because, unlike a lot of the rest of the Supergirl fandom, I've actually enjoyed pretty much everything that the series has done with him up to this point
* I've seen several complaints online that Supergirl hasn't yet done anything to set up CoIE, but, honestly that's really not true since the Monitor is directly responsible for unleashing Malefic on National City
* I miss Kara's original Supersuit, but the replacement Brainy designed for her is pretty cool as well, and I love that he designed it so that it gets activated by the removal of her glasses in a certain specific fashion
* I think people have been jumping the gun in terms of assuming that Brainy broke up with Nia at the end of "Blurred Lines"
* I'm pretty sure that the shadow cloud that killed Caroline O'Connor is the 'true' form of Andrea Rojas, AKA Acrata
* I'm also pretty sure that Niles Jarrod's death is connected to Leviathan, which makes William Dey connected to Leviathan too
* I'm not sure how Midnight and Malefic could have survived being trapped in the Phantom Zone without some kind of protection (since the show's already previously established the Zone as being an area of physical, atmosphere-less Space), but I'll just 'roll with it'
* Why don't some fans seem to get that this show heavily relies on "offscreen progression" to advance its narratives and establish its status quo? Kelly and Alex and Nia and Brainy's relationships are where they are at the start of the season because they've advanced quite considerably offscreen from where they were when we last saw the characters
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* I've seen some pushback about the plausibility of CatCo's employees being unknowingly signed to new 3-year contracts with super-strident non-compete clauses in them, but I think the people pushing back against that angle missed the point of it, which was to establish that Andrea is someone who isn't shy about resorting to or taking underhanded, illegal, and/or unenforceable tactics or actions
* My biggest worry going into the season was Lena being unfairly angry at Kara to an unjustifiable degree, and while she is certainly continuing to keep her secrets and is exaggerating the status of her and Kara's friemdship, she hasn't done anything that she can't "come back from" and remain "on the side of the angels"
* Lena naming her custom A.I. "Hope" is a reference to one of Lex's bodyguards in the pre-Flashpoint DCU
* I'm honestly surprised that Sean Astin's guest appearance on the show didn't get discovered before it happened, since there's evidence that at least one random person knew about it months ago
* I'm going to be sad to lose James because, unlike a lot of the rest of the Supergirl fandom, I've actually enjoyed pretty much everything that the series has done with him up to this point
* I've seen several complaints online that Supergirl hasn't yet done anything to set up CoIE, but, honestly that's really not true since the Monitor is directly responsible for unleashing Malefic on National City
* I miss Kara's original Supersuit, but the replacement Brainy designed for her is pretty cool as well, and I love that he designed it so that it gets activated by the removal of her glasses in a certain specific fashion
* I think people have been jumping the gun in terms of assuming that Brainy broke up with Nia at the end of "Blurred Lines"
* I'm pretty sure that the shadow cloud that killed Caroline O'Connor is the 'true' form of Andrea Rojas, AKA Acrata
* I'm also pretty sure that Niles Jarrod's death is connected to Leviathan, which makes William Dey connected to Leviathan too
* I'm not sure how Midnight and Malefic could have survived being trapped in the Phantom Zone without some kind of protection (since the show's already previously established the Zone as being an area of physical, atmosphere-less Space), but I'll just 'roll with it'
* Why don't some fans seem to get that this show heavily relies on "offscreen progression" to advance its narratives and establish its status quo? Kelly and Alex and Nia and Brainy's relationships are where they are at the start of the season because they've advanced quite considerably offscreen from where they were when we last saw the characters
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Kelly is coming back next episode, so having her leave town was pretty much just the writers' way of giving Mehcad Brooks' James a sendoff without killing him off, which I'm fine with, while also furthering the Malefic subplot
* I've seen some pushback about the plausibility of CatCo's employees being unknowingly signed to new 3-year contracts with super-strident non-compete clauses in them, but I think the people pushing back against that angle missed the point of it, which was to establish that Andrea is someone who isn't shy about resorting to or taking underhanded, illegal, and/or unenforceable tactics or actions
New boss, new contracts, with a 40 percent pay bump... And a lot of fine print.
Kara has microscopic vision, and super speed reading, and a robot slave.
Seriously, if she felt like it, Kara's robot slave could delete Andrea's bank accounts, and turn her out into the gutters.
There's a secret super villain prison underneath the fortress, right?
Put her in a box for a few years, no one will know, and Kara has flexible moral code, so she would never even consider that there has to be justification for her actions.
Kara is going to abuse Time travel, (legends crossover?) possibly destroying the universe to Christmas carol Andrea Rohas, rewriting her personality into something virtuous.
All that care, and Lena is probably going to get tossed onto a stalagmite from a great height, or however Zod, Lursa and Non died in Superman II when they fell on Superman's secret prison.
Kara has microscopic vision, and super speed reading, and a robot slave.
Seriously, if she felt like it, Kara's robot slave could delete Andrea's bank accounts, and turn her out into the gutters.
There's a secret super villain prison underneath the fortress, right?
Put her in a box for a few years, no one will know, and Kara has flexible moral code, so she would never even consider that there has to be justification for her actions.
Kara is going to abuse Time travel, (legends crossover?) possibly destroying the universe to Christmas carol Andrea Rohas, rewriting her personality into something virtuous.
All that care, and Lena is probably going to get tossed onto a stalagmite from a great height, or however Zod, Lursa and Non died in Superman II when they fell on Superman's secret prison.
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Lena was never on the "side of the angels" with the majority of acts she's committed on the series. Now, she's turning her belief in eugenics into action (not to mention what she's done to Eve, and conning Supergirl to break the law by breaking into a military facility), which is not something you just walk away from. That's a deep belief system (historically speaking), which places her forehead deep in a cesspool of immorality.
This is an incorrect statement.
Eugenics?
Nope.
Kara lied, Lena felt hurt and betrayed, and she never wants to feel that way again, and it's easier to genetically modify the human race, and a few alien races, rather than learning how to, suck it up and walk it off.
Nope.
Kara lied, Lena felt hurt and betrayed, and she never wants to feel that way again, and it's easier to genetically modify the human race, and a few alien races, rather than learning how to, suck it up and walk it off.
No, it is not. Lena was never a heroine "on the side of the angels" while experimenting on human beings, advocating eugenics as a belief and action, and conning someone into breaking into a military facility to steal anything, etc..
Look in a mirror.
Best episode so far this season, and a lovely and appropriate way to write out James Jimmy. True, the setup was rushed, but it still felt true to the character, showing him as the kind of man whom Superman would choose as his closest friend. I actually wish we could revisit the character and storyline, but AFAIK, Brooks is leaving for good, with no plans for his return, even in guest shots. 
Best episode so far this season, and a lovely and appropriate way to write outJamesJimmy. True, the setup was rushed, but it still felt true to the character, showing him as the kind of man whom Superman would choose as his closest friend. I actually wish we could revisit the character and storyline, but AFAIK, Brooks is leaving for good, with no plans for his return, even in guest shots.
I was thinking the same thing. Though they could certainly bring him back as a guest star later. Now that he has a real defined identity and purpose.
Calvintown seems so random as Jimmy’s hometown. First time he did not grow up in Metropolis? It was implied in the past he was young when Superman first appeared. Closest place to that name in DC Comics - Calvin City, Home of Golden Age version of the Atom.
It’s still insane that in all these seasons of Jimmy as regular cast member he never had a significant scene with Clark/Superman in his guest appearances.
Yeah, that was a real missed opportunity. I still wish we could have a new Superman TV series with Hoechlin, Tulloch, Brooks, and a recurring Jon Cryer. Guess even if a series were to happen now, though, Brooks wouldn't be a part of it, and that's a shame.
Supergirl
Season 5 / Episode 4- "In Plain Sight"
SG/Kara: SG - She's not really the focus of this episode, but it will be refreshing for the Dey business to finally come to a head...and yes, he was spinning a tall tale.
Lena / Eve: Continuing on her personal eugenics crusade to experiment on the innocent to modify human behavior, the ever-heroic Lena--in a time of need from her all-too forgiving/naïve "friends", moves one step closer to her goals--courtesy of Q-Waves, DEO tech and J'onn's brother. She's just as sinister as the rest of her family.
J'onn: "We tried to change you" "We should have accepted you." Yeah, J'onn might be remorseful. but that does not apply to a certain human who is hell bent on correcting humanity's faults...
NOTES: James Olsen. Oh gee...he's sees his aunt's old neighborhood run down with a prison "business" effectively shadowing the town. Hmm...this town could use a...a...champion of some kind. Perhaps someone who just so happened to be in a state of "finding" himself. Where or where will he come from? Looks like the showrunners have watched the last two seasons of This is Us looking for plots, just as his quickie backstory (a couple of seasons ago, where he behaved in a certain way to be seen beyond his color--which was a cop-out of a story) was swiped from an episode of Judging Amy. That 's what happens when when a character was never intended to have his own solid path of development, as written by people who used him as nothing more than their tokenized representative.
Not once did the showrunners ever know how (or attempt) to accurately / effectively write a black male character with a true sense of his own identity, purpose and unique approach to the world through his lens; all others certainly had their identities explored to the point of excess--even J'onn had more development/backstory than a character who was supposed to be one of the pillars of the "Super" mythos for generations.
No, he was only "black" when they needed one Very Special Episode, or had him graft the experiences / sociopolitical views of others to himself / be their mouthpiece, yet his own purpose / history was nowhere to be found beside a couple of scenes centering on his Guardian ID. Overall, it was insulting (if not patently offensive). Brooks leaves a character the showrunners did not care to build or respect, and of course, there were and remains backlash from many viewers who argued that casting Brooks was "wrong" and/or that Jeremy Jordan was the actor who "should have been cast as Jimmy" / "...he's more like the Jimmy from the comics."
Yeah, F-them on that one, but they got their wish in a sense, as a consistently misused, sidelined character has been wiped away from the series with yet another "let's find something for him to do" non-plot.
Two grades:
C+ for the intrigue surrounding Dey and Lena's continued march toward supervillain status.
F for the entire James Olsen matter.
Season 5 / Episode 4- "In Plain Sight"
SG/Kara: SG - She's not really the focus of this episode, but it will be refreshing for the Dey business to finally come to a head...and yes, he was spinning a tall tale.
Lena / Eve: Continuing on her personal eugenics crusade to experiment on the innocent to modify human behavior, the ever-heroic Lena--in a time of need from her all-too forgiving/naïve "friends", moves one step closer to her goals--courtesy of Q-Waves, DEO tech and J'onn's brother. She's just as sinister as the rest of her family.
J'onn: "We tried to change you" "We should have accepted you." Yeah, J'onn might be remorseful. but that does not apply to a certain human who is hell bent on correcting humanity's faults...
NOTES: James Olsen. Oh gee...he's sees his aunt's old neighborhood run down with a prison "business" effectively shadowing the town. Hmm...this town could use a...a...champion of some kind. Perhaps someone who just so happened to be in a state of "finding" himself. Where or where will he come from? Looks like the showrunners have watched the last two seasons of This is Us looking for plots, just as his quickie backstory (a couple of seasons ago, where he behaved in a certain way to be seen beyond his color--which was a cop-out of a story) was swiped from an episode of Judging Amy. That 's what happens when when a character was never intended to have his own solid path of development, as written by people who used him as nothing more than their tokenized representative.
Not once did the showrunners ever know how (or attempt) to accurately / effectively write a black male character with a true sense of his own identity, purpose and unique approach to the world through his lens; all others certainly had their identities explored to the point of excess--even J'onn had more development/backstory than a character who was supposed to be one of the pillars of the "Super" mythos for generations.
No, he was only "black" when they needed one Very Special Episode, or had him graft the experiences / sociopolitical views of others to himself / be their mouthpiece, yet his own purpose / history was nowhere to be found beside a couple of scenes centering on his Guardian ID. Overall, it was insulting (if not patently offensive). Brooks leaves a character the showrunners did not care to build or respect, and of course, there were and remains backlash from many viewers who argued that casting Brooks was "wrong" and/or that Jeremy Jordan was the actor who "should have been cast as Jimmy" / "...he's more like the Jimmy from the comics."
Yeah, F-them on that one, but they got their wish in a sense, as a consistently misused, sidelined character has been wiped away from the series with yet another "let's find something for him to do" non-plot.
Two grades:
C+ for the intrigue surrounding Dey and Lena's continued march toward supervillain status.
F for the entire James Olsen matter.
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I thought this week's episode was better than the previous two. The previous two had been very boring. It's almost as if they remembered it's a Superhero show. I think the show is a bit off course. Crisis is the perfect time to set some corrections, but I doubt they will.
But at least they did a better job overall.
It would be nice to actually see Supergirl be the focus of an episode and they need to really deal more with the hero part of superhero.
This is an interesting take. I can't and won't comment on whether they wrote a black character effectively. But I am certainly in the group that hates seeing casting based solely on race just so a bunch of people can pat themselves on the back about how woke they are, and then get fake outraged when they are called out on their blatant pandering.
I liked Brooks as an actor. I liked the character he played. I thought he played it well. But he wasn't Jimmy Olsen. He wasn't this awkward but goodnatured guy that always got into trouble with Lois. This guy was a stud, an action hero, and nothing like Jimmy Olsen. If the logic behind casting a black man in that role was to show that it doesn't matter, why did they write the character so wrong?
I always say that if you want a character of a certain race or gender, create one. If Brooks' character was named something different, it would have caused no controversy.
The most annoying part about that is that there is a character named Ron Troupe in the comics that is a black man, a reporter, and has more of a background that is suited for the character that Brooks played.
Troupe first appeared in 1991. He actually exists in the Arrowverse (had a byline in a first season episode of Flash). He even had a romance with Lucy Lane--just like Jimmy on this show.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Troupe
Brooks basically played what should have been Ron Troupe on this show with a James Olsen name.
But at least they did a better job overall.
It would be nice to actually see Supergirl be the focus of an episode and they need to really deal more with the hero part of superhero.
This is an interesting take. I can't and won't comment on whether they wrote a black character effectively. But I am certainly in the group that hates seeing casting based solely on race just so a bunch of people can pat themselves on the back about how woke they are, and then get fake outraged when they are called out on their blatant pandering.
I liked Brooks as an actor. I liked the character he played. I thought he played it well. But he wasn't Jimmy Olsen. He wasn't this awkward but goodnatured guy that always got into trouble with Lois. This guy was a stud, an action hero, and nothing like Jimmy Olsen. If the logic behind casting a black man in that role was to show that it doesn't matter, why did they write the character so wrong?
I always say that if you want a character of a certain race or gender, create one. If Brooks' character was named something different, it would have caused no controversy.
The most annoying part about that is that there is a character named Ron Troupe in the comics that is a black man, a reporter, and has more of a background that is suited for the character that Brooks played.
Troupe first appeared in 1991. He actually exists in the Arrowverse (had a byline in a first season episode of Flash). He even had a romance with Lucy Lane--just like Jimmy on this show.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Troupe
Brooks basically played what should have been Ron Troupe on this show with a James Olsen name.
I want to say that after the break up that Clark was "instructed" by his wife that they were both on Lucy's side... But the largest reason that Jimmy and Lucy broke up, is that he ran away to National City under orders from Clark, and rather than Protect the maid of might, James Olsen tried to nail her, which is the opposite of "looking after Kara".
Jimmy is a bad dude.
The Arrowverse Wiki says his family moved to Metropolis at some point when he was younger, not that he was born there. I guess he could've started out as an intern or something at the Calvintown paper and then used that experience to get the photographer job at the Planet.
Also, wasn't his father's camera destroyed early in season 2? Well, maybe it was just damaged.
Still, it's nice to see they haven't abandoned the show's social commentary in the midst of this questionable "technology is bad" arc they say they're doing this year. They didn't go deep enough into the evils of privately owned, for-profit prisons, but at least they touched on the issue.
When did Kara and Nia start thinking William Day might be an international assassin? Did I miss something last week? And who was the actual assassin, that woman with the air-control powers? Will we see her again? Was she an alien or a metahuman?
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