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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

Christopher, I think The Dead Mixer was saying that James could fill the role of the DEO, but I don't really see how.
 
Huh, I guess I'm the only one who really likes the Winn character so far. He may be just another techie comic relief guy, but he's still had some fun lines, is incredibly darn likeable, and has a good rapport with Kara.

And it does appear to be a different enough role from Olsen, who's more of the mentor/love interest of the show.
 
He might have more of a niche if he weren't in on her secret...somebody at work who'd be paying enough attention to her comings and goings for her to make lame excuses to.

Oh, god, no. That's an even worse cliche. Characters who are out of the loop tend to be useless and trapped in very formulaic, repetitive roles. They generally become so much more valuable to the stories once they're brought in on the secret -- Aunt May (in the JMS Spidey comics), Chloe Sullivan, Iris West, they're just so much more relevant when they don't have to be kept ignorant all the time.


And James could just as easily be hacker guy if they'd written him to fill that role.

But they didn't. And I think it makes more sense to believe they have a specific reason for that decision that we just don't know yet because they haven't seen fit to reveal the whole picture yet. Just because you don't yet know the reasons for their choices, that doesn't mean their choices were bad.


Has it been established that he's supposed to be Toyman's son? I thought he was just Toyman, or named after him.

It was announced last week that Henry Czerny will be appearing as Winslow Schott, Sr., aka the Toyman. That fact has already been mentioned twice in this thread, first by JD eight days ago and then by Dick Whitman in post #310 earlier today.
 
Just a few comments:

-I finally figured out who Kara reminds me of: Anna from the Once Upon a Time Frozen story arc. I wonder if Elizabeth Lail tried out for Supergirl and the casters said, "her, only blonder..."

-I think my only consistent problem with this show is that parts of it is like watching an episode of Girls, a show I wouldn't watch with a gun to my head.

-The villain of the week was a predator wannabe. O-kaaay...

-Really, no more Cat trying to be a bitchy Perry White. She's no good at it.

-this time I'm gonna nitpick the big rescue scene. She's from a highly advanced planet with space ships and yet she can't figure out dead ships move easier if you push them forward? That's why the pointy end is in front.

-Nice dust up with auntie. Can we just have more Kryptonian fight club please and get it over with?
 
-I think my only consistent problem with this show is that parts of it is like watching an episode of Girls, a show I wouldn't watch with a gun to my head.
I haven't watched Girls yet, but I know enough about it to pretty confidently say no part of Supergirl is anything like it.
 
Well that was...stupid. Especially the DEO stuff. Superman generall doesn't know any hand to hand combat either (outside of some random versions I'm sure someone will bring up), but he's been doing pretty well for himself for the last 70+ years of stories. For a TV hero example, The Flash has no fist fighting ability, but that doesn't hold him back. But, I guess they have to pretend that the Supergirl has some reason to interact with her adopted sister and the DEO, when she really doesn't.

Cat Grant is almost Detective Lance levels of episode derailing horrible. I really hope karma kicks her arrogant ass. Hopefully with a meteor to the head, along with the adopted sister and henshaw. The stuff with Jimmy makes no sense. Its obviously he's famous in his profession. If Grant fired him, he could probably find a bunch of jobs in his line of work in National City alone, so it really shouldn't be any kind of threat at all.

One thing that's obvious at this point is that this show is aimed much more at the Felicity (Co-starring The Arrow) audience then it is the audience of The Flash. It has all the family drama with a bunch of horrible characters (including the a-hole authority figures) and mediocre writing. I have no idea why The Flash is so great while Arrow (post Season 2) and Supergirl are atrocious. I guess all the good writers wanted to be working on The Flash, so Arrow and Supergirl get what's left. I'll give Supergirl a few more episodes, just because I still really want a good superhero show based around a female hero. Instead, we get a show with worse writing than the 80s Supergirl movie. At this rate, I don't think we'll be getting a good live action female superhero based thing until the Captain Marvel movie gets made.

I usually don't agree with you much when it comes to pop media and i wouldn't put it as harsh as you but i'm in your general direction so to speak.

Best "thing" in this show is Melissa Benoist by a wide margin.. she just has this energy about her and playfulness of a young woman who is also a Superhero (and anyone claiming they'd not go apeshit if they could fly and feel no pain mostly is lying). Her character, the portrayal by the actress and the way she's written is a refreshing thing because usually superpowered beings are all like "With gread power comes great responsibility" and that includes getting all serious and super adult.

She loves doing what she does and it translates well to the screen.

The rest.. not so much right now. I know it's too early to judge but the elements surrounding Supergirl are B grade at best.. Villain of the Week type stories but with a weak major villain. Flash also uses this formula but the difference is that with Wells/Tom Cavanagh they have an amazing villain. I can't see the actress/character of Kara's aunt getting this good and interesting.. she's a one note "We'll destroy them all and then rule the ashes!" type which has been played to death.

It'll probably be a success because it appeals to girls for obvious reasons and to boys because it's a Superhero show (and Benoist being very easy on the eyes) but it has to improve tremendously to get out of the average level i think it is and catch up to shows like Flash that had a far better start and kept on improving (which i hope Supergirl will also do).
 
-I think my only consistent problem with this show is that parts of it is like watching an episode of Girls, a show I wouldn't watch with a gun to my head.
I haven't watched Girls yet, but I know enough about it to pretty confidently say no part of Supergirl is anything like it.

The twenty-something girl with the evil boss and confused job-life and family drama? Are you kidding? Without the aliens and gummint agents all you'd need to add is Lena Dunham nekkid and it would be a spin-off.
 
-I think my only consistent problem with this show is that parts of it is like watching an episode of Girls, a show I wouldn't watch with a gun to my head.
I haven't watched Girls yet, but I know enough about it to pretty confidently say no part of Supergirl is anything like it.

The twenty-something girl with the evil boss and confused job-life and family drama? Are you kidding? Without the aliens and gummint agents all you'd need to add is Lena Dunham nekkid and it would be a spin-off.

You must have a gun to your head quite a lot. :)
 
I haven't watched Girls yet, but I know enough about it to pretty confidently say no part of Supergirl is anything like it.

The twenty-something girl with the evil boss and confused job-life and family drama? Are you kidding? Without the aliens and gummint agents all you'd need to add is Lena Dunham nekkid and it would be a spin-off.

You must have a gun to your head quite a lot. :)

Nah...I just have to watch a morning talk show with a female co-host and Lena Dunham as a guest. They tell you everything and then the female co-host spends the interview gushing. Kelly Ripa is especially fawning.
 
The characters on Supergirl aren't nearly as obnoxious, annoying, and self-centered as the characters on Girls.

The rest.. not so much right now. I know it's too early to judge but the elements surrounding Supergirl are B grade at best.. Villain of the Week type stories but with a weak major villain. Flash also uses this formula but the difference is that with Wells/Tom Cavanagh they have an amazing villain. I can't see the actress/character of Kara's aunt getting this good and interesting.. she's a one note "We'll destroy them all and then rule the ashes!" type which has been played to death.

Yeah I would agree the villains have been pretty underwhelming so far, but I think the focus for these first few episodes is clearly supposed to be much more on Kara and setting up her world. And while Wells might have hovered in the background throughout, the actual villains Barry had to fight each week in that first season of Flash were just about as generic and unmemorable.
 
I know it's too early to judge but the elements surrounding Supergirl are B grade at best.. Villain of the Week type stories but with a weak major villain. Flash also uses this formula but the difference is that with Wells/Tom Cavanagh they have an amazing villain. I can't see the actress/character of Kara's aunt getting this good and interesting.. she's a one note "We'll destroy them all and then rule the ashes!" type which has been played to death.

Did you somehow miss the fact that Astra made it clear that she DOESN'T want to just "destroy them all and then rule the ashes"?

We don't know exactly what she's after, but wantonly killing all of humanity isn't part of the deal.
 
The twenty-something girl with the evil boss and confused job-life and family drama? Are you kidding? Without the aliens and gummint agents all you'd need to add is Lena Dunham nekkid and it would be a spin-off.

You must have a gun to your head quite a lot. :)

Nah...I just have to watch a morning talk show with a female co-host and Lena Dunham as a guest. They tell you everything and then the female co-host spends the interview gushing. Kelly Ripa is especially fawning.

Why do you have to watch it?
 
-I think my only consistent problem with this show is that parts of it is like watching an episode of Girls, a show I wouldn't watch with a gun to my head.
I haven't watched Girls yet, but I know enough about it to pretty confidently say no part of Supergirl is anything like it.

The twenty-something girl with the evil boss and confused job-life and family drama? Are you kidding? Without the aliens and gummint agents all you'd need to add is Lena Dunham nekkid and it would be a spin-off.
I thought Girls mostly focused on the characters' sex lives, and romantic issues, none of which have been dealt with on Supergirl in depth.
 
Anyone else have the audio during actions scenes suddenly get much quieter then go back to
regular volume after the action scenes? Sounds like maybe a live dynamic range compressor was used...sounded awful.

Wondering if it was just my local station doing that or if it was in the broadcast master.
 
I have watched every episode of Girls.

Lena's character is an obnoxious know it all that forces herself into any situation as an expert, and then because she is a child in over her head, attacks everyone trying to help her not drown, and then finds the most graceless exit imaginable once everything around her is (emotionally and figuratively) on fire, while clinging to human trash she calls friends and a mega toxic boyfriend, still all the while certain that she is the centre of the universe, and that the universe is being unfair to shit on her when she is so special.

So, so special.

I just described any random season of girls, not a random episode. It's a slow boil of hate and loathing, where the viewers get to repeat the mantra "Go fuck yourself Hannah." Girls is a disaster movie where you're cheering as the Blimp crashes into a kitten orphanage. It reminds us that we (the viewer) are good people, because we would never make any of the selfish decisions Hannah makes with daily regularity.

Oh, but she's not an idiot.

'Just one of those hipster assholes who yells about interesting things until she has the attention of everyone in the room, and then runs out of things to say, and starts then spiralling "Stop looking at me! Why are you all conspiring against me!?"

Boobs.

Lots of boobs.

Bare asses.

Penises and vaginas.

Yup.

Girls is an amazing series about a walking trainwreck, and a bevvy of unattractive people comitting unflattering sexual activity awkwardly.

It's exactly like Supergirl.
 
Huh, I guess I'm the only one who really likes the Winn character so far. He may be just another techie comic relief guy, but he's still had some fun lines, is incredibly darn likeable, and has a good rapport with Kara.

And it does appear to be a different enough role from Olsen, who's more of the mentor/love interest of the show.

Unless we get the overused comic plot of ally turns into enemy / forces the hero to make a difficult decision, or ally is manipulated by enemy / hurt / forces some maturation of relationship with the hero (which would be a tired road to take), Winn is baggage.
 
I found the first regular episode rather entertaining and will keep watching it. It's like Smallville without the annoying "nothing happens". It's not a show that gets my undevided attention, I watch it at the computer but it gets more than others. Ally McBeal was less annoying this week too and I like the main actress.
 
1. Winn tired to ask her out on a date in the pilot. He want's to tap that.

2. Kara was told that love is like "pa-pow!" in the pilot and then after first meeting Jim she walks away from him and says "pa-pow!" She wants to tap that.

3. In the comic's Win is a super villain who killed Cat Grant's kid.

4. On Smallville Jimmy died, and and it turned out that Jimmy was his middle name all along, but his much younger brother, who's first name really was Jimmy and years down the line, he was going to be the real "Superman's pal Jimmy Olsen" 5 years after Smallville was cancelled. No one here is entirely what they seem.

5. Woman of Steal, man of Kleenex. Although that fight room we saw this week, could very easily be turned into a fuck room. Just imagine that , if you could only have sex while getting Chemotherapy? That's odd right, I'm certain that that's really odd. Oh gods, and there's like a handicap like in golf, she amps up the kryptonite depending on how disappointing a lover she anticipates each lover is going to be. "I'm sorry, but if I'm going to feel that bean you're packing, I'm going to have to turn the kryptonite emitters up to %40."
 
Well the ratings dropped 29% and to 8.9 million viewers without Big Bang as a lead in. Which was expected but still a bit concerning...

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/03/supergirl-ratings-fall
Too bad it didn't retain that Big Bang audience. I hope the ratings remain steady. I'd like to see this show go the distance the way Arrow and The Flash are.

The show looks slick as hell though. I could see people who're turned off by other shows tuning into this one. I don't even mean the FX but just the overall look has major network sheen.
It does indeed. It might have had a longer run on the CW but it wouldn't have the look it has.

I thought Girls mostly focused on the characters' sex lives, and romantic issues, none of which have been dealt with on Supergirl in depth.
I'd like for Supergirl to go there but I'm not sure it will given that this show probably has a young audience as part of the viewership.

I have watched every episode of Girls.

Lena's character is an obnoxious know it all that forces herself into any situation as an expert, and then because she is a child in over her head, attacks everyone trying to help her not drown, and then finds the most graceless exit imaginable once everything around her is (emotionally and figuratively) on fire, while clinging to human trash she calls friends and a mega toxic boyfriend, still all the while certain that she is the centre of the universe, and that the universe is being unfair to shit on her when she is so special.

So, so special.

I just described any random season of girls, not a random episode.
It's a step up from Tiny Furniture.

Woman of Steal, man of Kleenex. Although that fight room we saw this week, could very easily be turned into a fuck room. Just imagine that , if you could only have sex while getting Chemotherapy? That's odd right, I'm certain that that's really odd.
Yeah, I suppose she could take someone back there. You just solved one of her issues.
 
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