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Spoilers Supergirl - Season 1

Kai "the spy" said:
The sequence in question, especially with Kara losing consciousness and slowly falling back to earth, looked like a nicely done Superman Returns homage to me.
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Perhaps... except that she wasn't falling back to Earth. If she'd still been subject to Earth's gravity, she would've been in for a rough landing, but she would've survived it -- or maybe revived in the atmosphere enough to control her descent. (After all, she hadn't been kryptonite-weakened like Super-Routh was.) The problem was that she was adrift in space with no means to return to Earth. So it's not quite the same thing.
 
Imagine butsmuggling 14 balloons of cocaine across the border.

For your mental health, you need all that coke to stay in their own balloons.

Maybe if one Balloon breaks you might have a good time and you could sweat it out if you're lucky, but it's the end of time once a cascade of ruptures set in.
 
Yanks said:
Are the cartoons "superman canon"? :D
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Kai "the spy" said:
Depends on which "Superman canon" you're talking about.
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Canon means the original work from the original creators or owners of a property, as distinct from adaptations created by others. Superman is originally a comic-book character owned by DC, so insofar as he has a canon, it would be in the DC comics. But DC has reinvented its own continuity so many times that there is no single "default" version of its canon.

So it's pretty much meaningless to talk about canon here. What Superman has is a mythology. His story has been told and retold in many different ways, and any new teller of the tale is free to draw on ideas from any earlier version, to combine ideas from multiple ones, or to introduce their own changes to the mythos. The Superman lore that we find familiar is accumulated from numerous different branches of the mythos. Superman, Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and Krypton came from the original Siegel-Shuster comics. Perry White, Jimmy Olsen, Inspector Henderson, and kryptonite come from the '40s radio series. The Daily Planet comes from the newspaper comic strip. Superman's ability to fly comes from the Fleischer animated shorts. And so on. There's been so much cross-pollination that the idea of a singular, pure canon is inapplicable.
 
In theses forums we have been talking about TV canon vs Novel canon for years. They can violate each other, but they shouldn't violate themselves. Selfconsistency is not a hard ask.

sojourner said:
um, whut?
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Do you think that everything happened in the Fliecher news reel cartoons is the same orrery as everything that happened in Supergirl over the last couple months?

You have to keep your universes separated!
 
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Guy Gardener said:
It's bizarre that General Lane knew where Fort Rozz the whole time and so did J'onn, maybe, but neither of them thought it was a likely hiding spot for... Surely the Fortress knew it was there? Rozz and the Fortress' super near sentient computers had to be on the same "network" surely if their connectivity is FTL and intra galactic?
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Forbin said:
^That's been my second biggest WTF of the series. The first is that there are a group of evil supermen who want to take over Earth and haven't (seriously, it would take them, what, an afternoon?). Second is that Ft Roz has been just sitting there unguarded and unstudied.
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Yeah, that bugged me too. You'd think the first thing they would do once the Fort Rozz escapee's became active was search the place and keep it secure. Hell if they were really smart they would have just surrounded the thing with a Kryptonite fence.
Third is those jail cells at the DEO. No toilets, no beds, one backless... ottoman? The hell? What, does a PFC get sent in to clean up their poop once a day? Do the prisoners sleep on the floor?
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That's been an issue with The Flash too. Barry and his friends have a big "meta human" prison set up in their headquarters in S.T.A.R. Labs, but the cells are basically little boxes barely big enough to sit down and stand up in, and they have no toilets, beds, chairs ect. The cells at the D.E.O. at least give the prisoner room to move and a place to sit down. They did at least address the food issue in one episode of the Flash when they showed one of his friends taking the prisoners fast food take out.
 
Oh, my mistake, but at least we did still see a scene addressing it, even if it was deleted.
 
Forbin said:
Third is those jail cells at the DEO. No toilets, no beds, one backless... ottoman? The hell? What, does a PFC get sent in to clean up their poop once a day? Do the prisoners sleep on the floor?
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This is a common thing on all of the Berlanti shows.
I've mentioned it before. The Flash showed them bringing food to the prisoners but, other than that, the ridiculous nature of the cells is something that's never addressed.
 
jbny67 said:
This is a common thing on all of the Berlanti shows.
I've mentioned it before. The Flash showed them bringing food to the prisoners but, other than that, the ridiculous nature of the cells is something that's never addressed.
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It doesn't really bother me, since it's a longstanding tradition for set designs in TV to gloss over such things. Where are the facilities in the brig on Star Trek: TOS, or in the shuttlecraft in every Trek series ever? Or in the Puddle Jumpers in Stargate Atlantis?
 
Yanks said:
Exactly.... hard to believe the writers screwed this one up. ... but I guess they needed Alex to save her so...
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That's right--anything to artificially inflate the Alex character.


Guy Gardener said:
In theses forums we have been talking about TV canon vs Novel canon for years. They can violate each other, but they shouldn't violate themselves. Selfconsistency is not a hard ask.
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It is for a series not driven by consistency--a strong structure that does not feel the need to toss out sense in favor of the agenda which had nothing to do with the source.In fact, the only consistency in this series was the ratings downslide. One can only wonder what will happen in a 2nd season if this poor handling continues.
 
Guy Gardener said:
In theses forums we have been talking about TV canon vs Novel canon for years. They can violate each other, but they shouldn't violate themselves. Selfconsistency is not a hard ask.
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I'd just be happy if they didn't violate their own rules/guidelines/commentary in the same series, let alone in a single episode.
 
Christopher said:
It doesn't really bother me, since it's a longstanding tradition for set designs in TV to gloss over such things. Where are the facilities in the brig on Star Trek: TOS, or in the shuttlecraft in every Trek series ever? Or in the Puddle Jumpers in Stargate Atlantis?
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I wouldn't say it's something that bothers me either.
It's just something that stuck with me while watching & discussing these shows.
Thinking about the examples you gave makes me wonder why it stood out to me at all.
 
Speaking of weird prisons, I remember on Arrow they're keeping Deathstroke on the island.... is there personnel there watching him, feeding him, etc?
 
That was an official A.R.G.U.S. blacksite. Sure it was an illegal government sanctioned prison, but there were guards and amenities and I remember someone killing guards when they escaped. Which probably happened when Bomerang and Deathstroke each separately escaped.

Oliver turned out to have connections to Amanda Waller from almost half way into his noncontinguous stay on Lian Yu, so it turned out to be far less contrived than if he didn't meet her until later year two of the series.
 
I guess its projection on my part but I always wonder how they keep from going nuts just sitting alone for hours(days?) with nothing to do.
 
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