Stupid Stuff in TNG

[Finn]

I suggest you rewatch the series. It was made clear Jack had been killed under Picard's command, and that he was the one that went to Beverly to deliver the bad news...across several references or whole scenes, some of them poignant....well before they did Violations.

 

[Discofan]

I suggest you rewatch the series. It was made clear Jack had been killed under Picard's command, and that he was the one that went to Beverly to deliver the bad news...across several references or whole scenes, some of them poignant....well before they did Violations.

But you must admit that if he's the one that told Wes the bad news, his "I knew your father" is rather clumsy, nay insensitive.

 

[Finn]

As Wesley was quite young at the time...I've met people who couldn't recall anything before they were seven, Picard's statement is understandable. He looked uncomfortable, as if he was experiencing a lot of emotion... not to mention he couldn't be certain that Wesley remembered him, or at least fondly which would be very appropriate considering....



Alright...I just rewatched that scene in Encounter at Farpoint...I suggest you rewatch it. When Beverly tried to remind Picard the last time he saw Wesley, Beverly was choking up, as if it was a sad and/bad memory.

In the following seasons, they make it clear that Picard was the one who delivered the bad news well before Violations.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I'm surprised if people couldn't recall anything before they're seven, I have vague memories from being 2.

Then again, when I was 7 or so, I remember somebody telling me that I wouldn't remember the things that happened when I was under 5, and this kinda freaked me out so I made a point to focus on specific memories from back then and focus on them to reinforce them. Guess it worked.

But I agree, if Picard delivered the bad news at that age, he wouldn't remember a specific person delivering it. Except he was probably told over the years the story of his father's death. I don't think his comment was insensitive so much as it comes off as dumbfounded and speechless.

 

[UnknownSample]

Wrong. Everyone knows there's no money in the future. So it's impossible that his work was funded in any way.

Maybe we just need a different word than "funded". Resources were definitely allotted.

 

[UnknownSample]

I always thought it was rather ridiculous that they would try to beam Moriarty off the holodeck to make him “real” in Ship in a Bottle. It seemed to make more sense when I was younger, but these days the idea of the transporter magically changing photons and tractor beams into a living organism is bizarre.

Even if Moriarty was an animated meat puppet in the same way the holodeck replicated trees in Encounter at Farpoint the transporter still wouldn’t materialise a functioning brain in his head.

Yes. They presented it as an impossible idea. They were pursuing the idea only under duress. It's perfectly understandable for Moriarty to WANT it though.

 

[Lance]

The ultimate irony of the Moriaty situation is that the Enterprise crew's solution was to 'trick' Moriaty with a mini holodeck box because there was still no way to have him actually exist outside of the holodeck, but only three years later every new Starfleet ship has a hologram in sickbay who can exist through use of holo-emitters in the room. It seems Zimmerman's breakthrough must have happened just after the Enterprise crew's solution to the Moriaty problem, otherwise they could've just told him about Zimmerman's project and told Moriaty to chill his tits for a couple more years until this new holo-emmiter tech could be rolled out, lol.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

The ultimate irony of the Moriaty situation is that the Enterprise crew's solution was to 'trick' Moriaty with a mini holodeck box because there was still no way to have him actually exist outside of the holodeck, but only three years later every new Starfleet ship has a hologram in sickbay who can exist through use of holo-emitters in the room. It seems Zimmerman's breakthrough must have happened just after the Enterprise crew's solution to the Moriaty problem, otherwise they could've just told him about Zimmerman's project and told Moriaty to chill his tits for a couple more years until this new holo-emmiter tech could be rolled out, lol.

And unleash hurricane Holo-Khan in the process? They wanted to be rid of him without being rid of their consciences. He had all the characteristics of being another Khan, so they put him back in the box. But maybe he got to take over the galaxy that existed within the storage device. It would've been interesting to pop in and see.

 

[Discofan]

I'm surprised if people couldn't recall anything before they're seven, I have vague memories from being 2.

Then again, when I was 7 or so, I remember somebody telling me that I wouldn't remember the things that happened when I was under 5, and this kinda freaked me out so I made a point to focus on specific memories from back then and focus on them to reinforce them. Guess it worked.

But I agree, if Picard delivered the bad news at that age, he wouldn't remember a specific person delivering it. Except he was probably told over the years the story of his father's death. I don't think his comment was insensitive so much as it comes off as dumbfounded and speechless.

I learned French when I was four, but I still remember a time way back when French sounded to me like Jibberish and the only language I knew was my native tongue. So that means that I have clear memories of when I was no more than three.

I also remember clearly my grandfather on his deathbed and I was barely three when that happened. I remember the doctor, that he was fat and all sweaty (Fyi: that's the only time I saw that man as he wasn't our family doctor), I remember my grandmother weeping in a chair in the corner of the room... In fact, I remember that day better than my brothers who are much older than me.

 

[gakelly]

The sleeper ship in The Emissary. Why have a sleeper ship for 75 years to attack in the future? Why waste resources on such a preposterous idea? Imagine how much technology would change in 75 years? Wouldn't that ship had been spotted before then, or just that it is spotted within 3 days of the crew waking up?
The whole idea is just super stupid.

 

[JirinPanthosa]

In Troi’s engineering test how come she didn’t think of sending Data in instead of Geordi?

 

[Discofan]

In Troi’s engineering test how come she didn’t think of sending Data in instead of Geordi?

I don't think I saw Data in the simulation. Maybe it's his simulated day off.
That's one simulated lucky android!!!

 

[Phoenix219]

Data has to "access", \which I guess means move from hard drive to RAM, definitions to common words like "snoop" and "hooey". Not only should he already know these words, but I can look up a word faster than he can access, and that includes unlocking my phone.

Is there any way he is downloading it from the library computer via wifi?

 

[Phoenix219]

Maybe Armus is like that breathable liquid (think "The Abyss").



Oh, how about Data and the finger trap! I can imagine how that would work out on "The Orville":

Bortus: "What is this?"
Gordon: "It's a Chinee finger trap. You see, you put a finger in each end. I know, it sounds dirty, but it's not. Go ahead."
Bortus sticks the fingers in.
Bortus: "Now what?"
Gordon: "Now you're stuck. If you try to--"
RIP! Bortus simply rips it in half.
Bortus: "Now I am free. This supposed trap was poorly executed."

TNG would be sooo much better filtered through an Orville Lens....

This would make for a fun thread.

 

[Qonundrum]

There's a tractor beam in "Time Squared" that's perfectly vertical. Where's the emitter? (Really, there's a long extensible metal tube that pops out of the ship above and beyond viewing angle of the shuttle bay door that allows this level of precision guidance?) No worries, there's a backup bit o' stupid: That same episode features another, and only-time-ever-seen emitter inside the ship is thankfully placed at a bizarrely awkward angle when the laws of physics, assuming those would allow tractor beams, would take a lot less energy and put less stress, less shearing, etc, etc, if it were aimed directly forward. Plus it'd look more believable too. "Time Squared" is a great episode but that's beside the point.

And I never bought into the otherwise lovely idea atmosphere-retention-yet-ship-permeable forcefields left on all the time (TNG, DSC, Orville) - Yes, it looks nice to see outside but once the power system goes out or depletes, everything will be blown out into space, so hopefully the corridor doors are airtight... well, TNG's might be - those look and sound big and heavy when opening.

 

[Marsden]

I'm surprised if people couldn't recall anything before they're seven, I have vague memories from being 2.

Then again, when I was 7 or so, I remember somebody telling me that I wouldn't remember the things that happened when I was under 5, and this kinda freaked me out so I made a point to focus on specific memories from back then and focus on them to reinforce them. Guess it worked.

But I agree, if Picard delivered the bad news at that age, he wouldn't remember a specific person delivering it. Except he was probably told over the years the story of his father's death. I don't think his comment was insensitive so much as it comes off as dumbfounded and speechless.

I agree with you, I remember stuff from when I was 2. I just wonder if it's because I haven't been much of a drinker, they always joke about losing brain cells as if it isn't true, but then some people really can't remember kindergarten, so....

I think Picard didn't want to assume boy genius remembered it all, even though I'd expect 24th century people to be more advanced and more capable of remembering things, they teach them Calculus in first grade, don't they?

 

[Discofan]

The stupid limitations that don't make sense. Like they can "deage" Pulaski using DNA from a "hair sample", which means replace each of her aged cells by a younger one!!! But they can't reconstitute Worf's spine using the same method, which is arguably a much simpler thing to do.

Plus as everyone knows, they have devised in that show something like five or six ways to be immortal but somehow they refuse to see it!!! Instead, we have Admirals using painful methods that end up killing them!!! Seriously!

 

[JirinPanthosa]

I agree with you, I remember stuff from when I was 2. I just wonder if it's because I haven't been much of a drinker, they always joke about losing brain cells as if it isn't true, but then some people really can't remember kindergarten, so....

I think Picard didn't want to assume boy genius remembered it all, even though I'd expect 24th century people to be more advanced and more capable of remembering things, they teach them Calculus in first grade, don't they?

I'm a moderate drinker, but didn't start until like 7 years ago. I haven't had any memory issues. I think remembering early childhood memories has more to do with how much stuff stays in your life that reminds you of it.

 

[JesterFace]

The ultimate irony of the Moriaty situation is that the Enterprise crew's solution was to 'trick' Moriaty with a mini holodeck box because there was still no way to have him actually exist outside of the holodeck, but only three years later every new Starfleet ship has a hologram in sickbay who can exist through use of holo-emitters in the room. It seems Zimmerman's breakthrough must have happened just after the Enterprise crew's solution to the Moriaty problem, otherwise they could've just told him about Zimmerman's project and told Moriaty to chill his tits for a couple more years until this new holo-emmiter tech could be rolled out, lol.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but originally the EMH Doctor of Voyager couldn't exist outside sickbay? Only after they got tech from the future he was able to leave sickbay?

Moriarty was trapped in holodeck, EMH was trapped in sickbay. EMH technology might not have been the solution for Moriarty to explore the galaxy if EMH can't leave sickbay.

 

[Lance]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but originally the EMH Doctor of Voyager couldn't exist outside sickbay? Only after they got tech from the future he was able to leave sickbay?

Moriarty was trapped in holodeck, EMH was trapped in sickbay. EMH technology might not have been the solution for Moriarty to explore the galaxy if EMH can't leave sickbay.

Well yes, but he could exist in sickbay because the room was lined with holo-emitters. By the time of the Voyager episode with Andy Dick as the new EMH, it appears that whole ships are now lined with holo-emitters (which makes sense in case an EMH ever needs to transfer somewhere else to help). We see both EMH's existing in areas outside of sickbay.

If the NCC 1701D had holo-emitters up and down the ship, as future Starfleet ships seem to only a half decade later, then Moriarty could have just stepped straight off the holodeck.

 

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