Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Unionized Elf]

Novelverse = Authorized fan fiction

It is inappropriate to refer to anything written by a professional author as "fan fiction."

 

[Detached Nacelle]

It is inappropriate to refer to anything written by a professional author as "fan fiction."

Even professionals can write something truly awful and laden with the most prototypical fanfiction tropes so it can be a valid criticism.

 

[Dukhat]

So there was no fanbase then you showed up and suddenly there was a fanbase...

I'm on to you.

Well, me and two other kids in my 7th grade homeroom, yeah.

Dennis is incredibly old. Just ask TRON.

 

[Santa Kang]

word on the street is that star trek strange new worlds season 5 will have sulu and checkoff but they will only appear in the very last episode of season 5 when captain james tiberius kirk takes over for chris pike to run the enter prize

Yeah we know. see post # 18192

 

[Mudd]

Even professionals can write something truly awful and laden with the most prototypical fanfiction tropes so it can be a valid criticism.

No, Unionized Elf is correct. Such characterizations are rhetorically incoherent.

 

[Danja]

It is inappropriate to refer to anything written by a professional author as "fan fiction."

Even professionals can write something truly awful and laden with the most prototypical fanfiction tropes so it can be a valid criticism.

I seem to recall no shortage of people calling Jack Crusher a "Gary Stu".

 

[camdudetenger2018]

You mean the news that's been announced by the producers and covered by every trade website and is all over social media for a couple of days?

That "street?"

lol lol yup

 

[Mudd]

I seem to recall no shortage of people calling Jack Crusher a "Gary Stu".

Stupid people posting stupid things...

 

[Jason X-Mas]

You mean the news that's been announced by the producers and covered by every trade website and is all over social media for a couple of days?

That "street?"

If someone gets the news from their phone while in their car I think they technically could say they got the news on the street.

 

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[Noname On A Naughty List]

Even professionals can write something truly awful and laden with the most prototypical fanfiction tropes so it can be a valid criticism.

>Terry Matalas and Picard season 3 have entered the chat<

 

[Set Harth]

It is inappropriate to refer to anything written by a professional author as "fan fiction."

 

[Unionized Elf]

I seem to recall no shortage of people calling Jack Crusher a "Gary Stu".

And? How does that relevant to referring to professional works as fan fiction or how does that justify calling something written by a professional fan fiction.

Hint: if your defense is basically "other people do it" you've already lost the argument.

 

[Set Harth]

Inappropriate according to who? Miss Manners?

 

[Danja]

Hint: if your defense is basically "other people do it" you've already lost the argument.

Whatever ...

 

[Charlie Xmas]

Even professionals can write something truly awful and laden with the most prototypical fanfiction tropes so it can be a valid criticism.

Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers, anyone?

 

[Mudd]

Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers, anyone?

Doesn't matter one bit.

I may be a fan of a property, or I may not. But when I'm hired and paid to do a job, I'm a professional.

Some people are way too mired in fandom as a subculture and fan fiction as a practice. They frame stuff that they know nothing about in terms that are comfortable and familiar to them.

Speaking of which, how do fan fiction writers feel about seeing someone dismiss professional work that they find somehow lacking as "fan fiction," as if that's a big putdown?

 

[Danja]

Speaking of which, how do fan fiction writers feel about seeing someone dismiss professional work that they find somehow lacking as "fan fiction," as if that's a big putdown?

There's good and bad professional work (just as there's good and bad fanfiction).

I write fanfics myself (see the Archive of Our Own link in my signature). I've read fanfics that are pretty awful (e.g., characters being paired up with each other just for the hell of it).

I don't see "professional" as inherently "better". The "pros" have cranked out their share of clunkers ("Threshold", "Sub Rosa", "Code of Honor", "Spock's Brain", "Phantasms", "Take Me Out to the Holosuite").

 

[Campe]

Sorry, but the Picard/Crusher kid and the Borg/Changeling team up both screamed of bad fanfic. There were some very good moments in Picard season 3 and while overburdened with fanwank, it was entertaining in some places. That’s an opinion. You can disagree with it all you want but you can’t take my right to have it, nor can you say it’s “wrong.”

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Speaking of which, how do fan fiction writers feel about seeing someone dismiss professional work that they find somehow lacking as "fan fiction," as if that's a big putdown?

The genre of fanfiction can be differentiated from just amateur fiction by its tropes. And sometimes professionals do a really shit job and produce works that have more in common with such negative tropes than should be expected in a professional body of work. It is a fair critique if explained and phrased properly.

There is a what is said and how it's said element for sure. "This is just a fanfic" doesn't really say anything unlike say "this work relies on lazy and corny tropes such as x, y and z found in bad fan fiction."

A professional should be called out if they do a terrible job but only if the criticism can be explained. "This writer is shit because I don't like this" is certainly not a justification.