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I'm not even joking. TMP is about man's relationship to the universe, its possible future descendants in AI, and larger issues of confronting the overwhelming.
But STIV is about man's relationship to the environment, confronting our responsibility to fellow organic beings on Earth that are intelligent in their own way, and the fact that their loss will have unforseen cataclysmic possibilities.
So I genuinely believe STIV is one of the biggest science fiction examples.
But STIV is about man's relationship to the environment, confronting our responsibility to fellow organic beings on Earth that are intelligent in their own way, and the fact that their loss will have unforseen cataclysmic possibilities.
So I genuinely believe STIV is one of the biggest science fiction examples.
The visual effects folks posted Spock's Starfleet personnel file that was in last week's episode online for the fans. Apparently L'tak Terai, which in Discovery was supposed to be a Vulcan condition similar to dyslexia, is now just the Vulcan name for dyslexia. Ok.
The twitter thread mentions that an earlier draft of this prop listed Sybok as Spock's half-brother, but then removed it to preserve continuity with Kirk not knowing about Sybok in Star Trek 5. But it seems here they forgot that Kirk also didn't know that Sarek was Spock's father in Journey to Babel, yet the personnel file here for Spock literally mentions Ambassador Sarek as Spock's dad.
Also, most other sources seem to place Q&A in 2254. Here it's placed in 2253.
The twitter thread mentions that an earlier draft of this prop listed Sybok as Spock's half-brother, but then removed it to preserve continuity with Kirk not knowing about Sybok in Star Trek 5. But it seems here they forgot that Kirk also didn't know that Sarek was Spock's father in Journey to Babel, yet the personnel file here for Spock literally mentions Ambassador Sarek as Spock's dad.
Also, most other sources seem to place Q&A in 2254. Here it's placed in 2253.
Interesting.
So, why the need to fully explain that "Lieutenant Spock is a 23rd century Federation Starfleet officer"? Seems a little...rote.
And no Sybok under "Siblings"? Non-blood adopted children count but half-siblings do not?
Other than those little things, though, it is a cool find...
So, why the need to fully explain that "Lieutenant Spock is a 23rd century Federation Starfleet officer"? Seems a little...rote.
And no Sybok under "Siblings"? Non-blood adopted children count but half-siblings do not?
Other than those little things, though, it is a cool find...
Sybok was originally on there: https://twitter.com/timothypeel1/status/1679237088078622726 . They removed him to preserve continuity that Kirk didn't know about him and outright said that on twitter. However, as I mentioned it seems they didn't notice that Kirk also didn't know about Sarek being Spock's dad in Journey to Babel, yet Sarek is listed as his father and they even put Ambassador next to the name. So yeah...
I was wondering if that was the whole "keeping a family secret" thing. To make matters worse, including Michael on there would make it so everyone should theoretically know about her as well, and literally NOBODY knew about her until she was retconned into the canon by DSC. I guess any way they try to untie that Gordian Knot, it just gets tighter. They should just put everyone's names on there and call it a day... 
Because they probably copied it from Memory-Alpha. Una's and Pike's (from DSC Season 2) said the same thing.
No that's just saying when he became the science officer, not when he joined the crew.
Alphabetical.
Michael definitely should not be listed there, since her existence was erased from the Starfleet records at the end Disco S2. Plus back in SNW S1 when Spock mind-melded with La'an, La'an was surprised to learn of Michael's existence, stating there was no mention of a sister in Spock's record.
Are you sure it's not a time for a colorful metaphor?
Actually, a thought just occurred to me, maybe La'an made the update after the mind meld? After all, updating Sam Kirk's file was the pretense she used to contact Jim Kirk a couple weeks ago, so apparently she has the ability to alter the personnel files on the Enterprise.
The problem isn't that they mention Spock's father's name, but that it states he's the Vulcan ambassador - that's the detail that Kirk would definitely remember.
With regard to Burnham/Discovery, presumably while what actually happened to them is classified the crew and ship would need to be formally listed as MIA/KIA, so I don’t think her entire existence would be erased.
On a different note, it’s interesting to me that Kirk’s more casual green wraparound is Pike’s more semi-formal outfit.
With regard to Burnham/Discovery, presumably while what actually happened to them is classified the crew and ship would need to be formally listed as MIA/KIA, so I don’t think her entire existence would be erased.
On a different note, it’s interesting to me that Kirk’s more casual green wraparound is Pike’s more semi-formal outfit.
Trekmovie's a great site. Anthony has done a marvelous job building it over the last, what, fifteen or sixteen years? Good content, good sources.
That being said, if you want to watch a bunch of pretty dim people take themselves and Star Trek as seriously as religion, read the article talkbacks. There are some okay folks, but a preponderance of utter bores.
That being said, if you want to watch a bunch of pretty dim people take themselves and Star Trek as seriously as religion, read the article talkbacks. There are some okay folks, but a preponderance of utter bores.
Those time-traveling Romulans have certainly been busy altering the historical record.
There's also a version of that Spock personnel file that omits Michael but includes Sybok and lists him as his half-brother.
What’s funny to me about that is 10-12 years ago it was largely populated by Kelvinverse movie fans so was much more open minded about new Star Trek.
It was nice, Orci himself would post there occasionally, although I vaguely recall he said something that wasn’t looked on very favorably. Of course, you still got the drive-by “disrespecting teh canon” cretinoids, but that’s to be expected.
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