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In this case, an idiosyncratic semantic quibble over the meaning of "best."
I pretty strenuously disagree that TOS is the best Trek series, simply due to issues of quality control if nothing else.
TOS Season 1 was iconic, and had lots of great episodes. TOS Season 2 was a slight step downward, but still had all-time classics like The Doomsday Machine, Spock Amok, The Trouble With Tribbles, Mirror Mirror, etc. - but it also had a lot of mid. Season 3 was largely mediocre to laughably awful.
I simply can't call a show with one great, one pretty good, and one awful season the best of the bunch, even if you could cull a season's worth of absolutely fantastic episodes from the whole.
And yet, the vast majority of the world pretty much always says Empire is better. (I don't personally care that much either way, except that Empire is actually a good movie and 'Star Wars' isn't.)
Whether anyone agrees with any one particular example or not, though, has nothing at all to do with the fact that being first doesn't make something better by default. And no amount of 'actually, this thing that was first actually is the best of its franchise' will ever change that. Especially not when people focus in on a single example and pretend that was the only one there.
The only Star Trek episode worth anybody's time is The Infinite Vulcan.
In a complete vacuum, Empire suffers from a serious structural issue — There is no resolution. The plot doesn’t end. The movie just stops. In hindsight, and with the addition of Jedi (which has more than a few flaws itself), Empire is a far better film than it is on its own. It also suffers from an almost soap opera-ish reveal that Vader is Luke’s father.
I love Star Wars as a whole and like Empire quite a bit. The original 1977 Star Wars is quite certainly my favorite movie of all time. But let’s make no pretenses that the whole of the series (particularly the OT) is not greater than the sum of its parts.
I love Star Wars as a whole and like Empire quite a bit. The original 1977 Star Wars is quite certainly my favorite movie of all time. But let’s make no pretenses that the whole of the series (particularly the OT) is not greater than the sum of its parts.
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LD references it with perhaps the greatest Easter Egg in the modern history of the franchise. I loved seeing it.
TMP was the last Trek film to do a genuine science fiction story that explored philosophical constructs and the nature of the universe, that's for sure.
Well...the idea that something from space was totally ignoring the humans and communicating with the whales is a nice plot line, and one I wish could be explored more fully.
Like...
- Did the probe just like the whales?
- Pretty songs, need more. No more? Ok, I -the probe - make planet go whoosh?
- Whales are remnants of a civilization we have no trace of and it knew that? (Shades of Distant Origin)
- How the heck could it even HEAR the whales? That puts all sorts of plotlines out there (Are there sensors on Earth? Infrasound has a further effect? The probe had crazy tech? Something else?)
I'd just like to, some day, see the probe explored the way the planet killer Doomsday Machine has been.
My guess is that the Thing routinely passes near our solar system (on a million-year+ cycle?) and as long as it somehow senses that the whales are still here it doesn't bother to investigate.
It probably plants the DNA seed for whales to develop on likely watery planets.
It probably plants the DNA seed for whales to develop on likely watery planets.
Ezra Bridger was scouting Earth for more whales to use against Thrawn. Oh wait, wrong star franchise.
The Whale Probe is a Doomsday Machine, discuss
The 23rd Century seemed to be filled with very powerful and destructive devices whose mission profiles were baffling and had to be disabled in very niche ways.
It's a giant Swiss Cake Roll that's out for revenge and all the health food fanatics on Earth are gonna pay!
I love me some Ho-Ho's
"Judging from the sugar and chocolate content of the North American continent I do believe we have arrived at the latter half of the 20th century."
Oh man, I was *waaaaay* too young when I saw that movie (first run, in a theater).
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