Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[The Old Mixer]

Ostensibly, but Henry Winkler would still be a leather jacket-clad greaser.

Now would Ted McGinley still be in the cast, or would he have had enough by now...?

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

‪To me, rejecting components of a narrative’s basic conceit, (like its setting, which in this case includes existing in a shared fictional universe with the rest of the Prime Universe material), outright is a choice to engage in the material in bad faith.

 

[BillJ]

‪To me, rejecting components of a narrative’s basic conceit, (like its setting, which in this case includes existing in a share fictional universe with the rest of the Prime Universe material), outright is a choice to engage in the material in bad faith.

It is the only way I can engage any of it in good faith, because they are all mediocre if put up directly against TOS.

 

[BillJ]

Ostensibly, but Henry Winkler would still be a leather jacket-clad greaser.

Now would Ted McGinley still be in the cast, or would he have had enough by now...?

Is there a paycheck involved?

 

[cooleddie74]

Just tell him he's replacing David Garrison. He'll come back.

 

[JoaquinSlowly]

It is the only way I can engage any of it in good faith, because they are all mediocre if put up directly against TOS.

Though ‪‪‪‪‪‪I don’t agree, ‪‪I appreciate your perspective.

 

[BillJ]

Though ‪‪‪‪‪‪I don’t agree, ‪‪I appreciate your perspective.

If we all agreed, this would be a pretty dull place.

 

[fireproof78]

TOS is the only true Star Trek.

 

[coryjosb]

Star Trek died when Kirk was promoted to Admiral and since then has remained dead apart from that time they went back in time to get a whale since that was pretty cool, maybe they can do it again some time idk.

Pike can go back in time to get a parrot and then for the rest of the show it just sits on his shoulder and before the ship goes to warp it can squark "Engage!"

 

[SJGardner]

Only Star Trek is... is canon.

 

[BillJ]

Only Star Trek is... is canon.

Only "The Cage" and "Threshold" is canon. Everything else is apocryphal.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

My rule of thumb is that only the things that Lower Decks references are canon. Fortunately that covers pretty much all of it.

 

[cooleddie74]

It's all about Boimler spread eagle. Everything else is not canon.

 

[Mage]

The only thing canon was Roddenberry's original spark of thought about Star Trek. After that he started messing with things, making it inconsistent. Everything after that initial idea should be considered not-canon.

 

[eschaton]

The only canon thing is my unpublished Gowron/Martok fanfic.

 

[Orphalesion]

Actually that is how it works in most media. Nobody thinks that the Superman that is printed now is in the same universe as Siegel and Shuster's. Nobody thinks that the Batman printed now is in the same universe as Bob Kane's. No one thinks that the current Sherlock Holmes' fare takes place in continuity with the original novels. Heck, most comics, novels and their TV/movie counterparts exist in separate timelines.

Not really. As in, not at all. And you are comparing apples and oranges here. The various Sherlock Holmes movies and TV shows, for example are adaptions, not a continuity of sequels and prequels like Star Trek is (though you could call the Kelvin Timeline and adaption, I guess)
And I don't know enough about Superman to tell for sure, but it IS the same Universe, even if some stories fell out or were retconned out of continuity.
And to compare with something I know for sure... the X-Men comics today are set in the exact same universe as the original series written by Stan Lee. 100% No matter how much technology has marched on, no matter how much the characters have changed etc. It is the exact same Universe(The movies on the other hand were adaptions)

So no. It's not how it works in most media, you are just falsely conflating sequels/spin-offs with adaptions.

 

[BillJ]

No matter how much technology has marched on, no matter how much the characters have changed etc. It is the exact same Universe

Unless all the characters are presented in as being in their 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, that is contradictory. You’re just talking about a rolling reboot where things and the universe change without acknowledging the changes.

The Simpsons call it rubber band continuity.

 

[Orphalesion]

Unless all the characters are presented in as being in their 70’s, 80’s and 90’s, that is contradictory.

No. It is not. It's just comic book/cartoon time where characters just won't age in relation to the time passing in our world (or will age very, very slowly, or will age selectively, like Kitty Pryde going from 13 1/2 to 21 while the adult X-Men largely stayed the same age). The Marvel and DC universes exist on a floating timeline where certain events are "always" 10 years ago/5 years ago/20 years ago etc.

Point is...it is still the same universe. X-Men #1 takes place in the same universe as the current issues.

 

[BillJ]

No. It is not. It's just comic book/cartoon time where characters just won't age in relation to the time passing in our world (or will age very, very slowly, or will age selectively, like Kitty Pryde going from 13 1/2 to 21 while the adult X-Men largely stayed the same age). The Marvel and DC universes exist on a floating timeline where certain events are "always" 10 years ago/5 years ago/20 years ago etc.

Point is...it is still the same universe. X-Men #1 takes place in the same universe as the current issues.

Whatever works for you.

 

[Orphalesion]

Whatever works for you.

That's not how it "works for me " That is how the Marvel and DC universes officially work.

And I don't see why Star Trek can't work that way too (SNW and DISC being in the same universe as TOS etc.)