Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[flandry84]

I’m sure there are new Doctor Who “fans”out there who would have a case of the vapours if they were asked to sit and watch a Troughton era episode.
I don’t want to see that happen with TOS,people giggling at the dodgy sets and so on.That is why I would ,just once like to see an episode like “The doomsday machine” get the royal treatment of a CGI upgrade.Not the crap remastered version but a real virtual(no pun intended)rejig.

 

[Skywalker]

This matter of what is canon and what isn't canon is moot. As we all know, every single episode and movie exists in its own separate continuity.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Things are only original once. It's like how you can destroy the value of an antique by restoring it wrong. It's not a perfect metaphor to a continuing continuity, but the mentality is similar. It took half a century of work to build the Trek universe to what it is today. You'll be dead and gone before a rebooted Trek has that sort of pedigree (if it lasts that long). But I suppose you don't care they were cutting down 1000 year old trees in Canada either. We were extraordinarily lucky that CBS continued the original continuity after the Abrams-verse experiment. That rarely happens and when it does it doesn't always work (Superman Returns).

Modern Trek is weird. The 23rd century has been essentially rebooted (like actually watch TOS. It "fits" only in the loosest possible sense, like trying to fit Adam West and Ben Affleck's Batmen into the same continuity), but then 100 years later Picard follows on from Next Gen but then has visual references to Discovery which contradict TOS which Next Gen directly referenced (Pike's Enterprise at SFHQ)

But at the end of the day it's only a TV show, so I'm happy to pretend.

 

[Yistaan]

Modern Trek is weird. The 23rd century has been essentially rebooted (like actually watch TOS. It "fits" only in the loosest possible sense, like trying to fit Adam West and Ben Affleck's Batmen into the same continuity), but then 100 years later Picard follows on from Next Gen but then has visual references to Discovery which contradict TOS which Next Gen directly referenced (Pike's Enterprise at SFHQ)

But at the end of the day it's only a TV show, so I'm happy to pretend.

I don't really see it as a reboot, plus if you look at real world tech, some stuff does go backwards. Most notebook computers now lack DVD drives and even ethernet ports, making them in some way less "advanced" than what came before. If you play Minecraft on a Nintendo Switch and then compare it with Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess on the Gamecube, you would think that the Gamecube and Twlight Princess game were newer despite them being much older than the Switch and Minecraft.

I do agree that the changed appearance of the Enterprise itself is a problem, but this can be explained away as configurable "desktop themes", the way the TARDIS on Dr. Who explains its changed apperances.

Strange that you mention Adam West's Batman having difficulty fitting with Affleck's Batman. Without going into spoilers, DC has produced comics that they market as the "official" continuation of West's Batman, and they have him doing some very dark things that most other Batman incarnations just would not do. He did something that even the current Batman comic book incarnation didn't do. Massive spoilers for both current comic book Batman and comic book continuation of Adam West's Batman below if you want to know

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Apparently Cesar Romero's Joker discovered Batman's identity and raided Wayne Manor. Alfred had a heart attack from the shock and died, and West's Batman beat Joker to death in a fit of rage, even though Joker didn't actually directly kill Alfred, from what I recall. Batman was then so horrified by his actions that he quit being Batman, until Lynda Carter's Wonder Woman (apparently her WW and West's Batman are in the same continuity) stopped by and asked him for help.

Keep in mind that current comic book Batman didn't kill Bane even after Bane actually purposely killed Alfred in the recent City of Bane storyline.

 

[Grizzlor]

^^^ By this logic, Star Trek's canonical age ended when Roddenberry died and anything that came after is, by definition, apocryphal. Sorry, but nobody believes that.

Well, canon didn't mean all that much to Roddenberry himself. He was more likely to swear off something he wasn't totally in love with as non-canon. I don't think he was all that fond of Space Seed becoming a film, but also his long-time assistant often trashed aspects of Trek after Gene's death, lacking his credibility. TAS fell into this bucket, unfairly in my opinion.

Oh, parts of TOS are dated as Hell. But then so is a lot of early TNG and Sweet Fancy Space Buddha I'll take some of the fashions Theiss devised in 1967 over some of the idiotic looks we were subjected to 20 or 21 years later.

Visually dated, but you could produce a new show today with almost any TOS script and it would seem incredibly fresh. They had great script concepts.

This matter of what is canon and what isn't canon is moot. As we all know, every single episode and movie exists in its own separate continuity.

This is true. I feel like the canon crisis only really comes up with newer iterations that attempt to do what was done before. In plot (Trek JJ films), or in style (Klingon Discovery makeup).

 

[WarpFactorZ]

... there's a new Star Trek movie coming out in 2023, ....

I didn't think that was a definite thing. From what I recall reading, the story was:

1. X has been hired to write the next Trek feature!
2. Paramount shelves X's project / cans X!
3. Go back to 1.

Did I miss something?

 

[Lord Garth]

I didn't think that was a definite thing. From what I recall reading, the story was:

1. X has been hired to write the next Trek feature!
2. Paramount shelves X's project / cans X!
3. Go back to 1.

Did I miss something?

Some form of Star Trek movie has recently been announced as coming out on June 9th, 2023 with no other information being provided. Given the nonsense that goes on at places like this, among others, I don't blame them. This is the first time since Beyond that a specific release date has been given for a Star Trek film in development.

It's also pretty hard to get more official than startrek.com. (link)

 

[dinzy]

I'm sorry, I know that some folks really, really want the Abrams movies to have been failures, but it didn't happen that way.

CBS's problem with theatrical Trek movies is - again, sorry - the brand itself does not have a cachet strong enough to carry the kind of big-budget franchise films which are the studios' bread-and-butter over the last couple of decades. It is old-fashioned, appeals primarily to an older audience, and the media environment is always saturated with cheap or essentially free Star Trek content.

That's the problem the studio must solve in order to make the theatrical franchise worthwhile. Abrams was one approach. Tarantino was another potential approach. We shall see what they come up with next, but it will not be TMP Revisited or TWOK Part II or TNG: Return of The Borg Queen versus The Post-DS9 Alpha Quadrant (NOW WITH MORE SISKO!) or anything resembling the products of those eras.

I never said they were failures, there was just an obvious reason they wanted to scale back on budget or try something else. I saw all 3 in the Theaters and was looking forward to the 4th. Comparing it to the most recent Batman trilogy which had one of the most successful movies of the time is just not a valid comparison. And that was what I was commenting on.

Batman has mass blockbuster appeal, Trek doesn't. It never really did. It is a TV show that had some success in the movies, but the bulk of the content is consumed at home and that is probably why a lot of people just wait a couple of months to see the movies at home and go see Comic Book movies instead.

I'll take my kids to whatever new Trek film there is as long as it isn't a Tarantino gorefest, I'll see that one alone while getting an oil change or something.

 

[cooleddie74]

We're getting a fourth Trek movie but as to what it'll be and in which timeline and with which actors is still completely up for debate. Right now it's just a film that's - in my eyes - likely to happen.

 

[CorporalClegg]

This matter of what is canon and what isn't canon is moot. As we all know, every single episode and movie exists in its own separate continuity.

Yup.

The only continuity any story is beholden to is that of its own creation.

 

[The Old Mixer]

We're getting a fourth Trek movie but as to what it'll be and in which timeline and with which actors is still completely up for debate.

If it's not necessarily a JJverse film, doesn't that make it the fourteenth?

 

[cooleddie74]

That's how I look at it but people here generally refer to the new ones with numbers starting from the 2009 film.

 

[Amasov]

I'm trying to figure out when we could get an info drop on this show; considering they're now shooting episode 7 of 10. I'm suspecting we could potentially see something at Comic Con or, if not, then absolutely Star Trek Day -- assuming they continue to use that day to announce things.

Or, Paramount/CBS can essentially just release trailers and the likes really whenever the hell they feel like it. But, if recent events are any indication, events like Comic Con and Star Trek Day tend to be when these announcements are made.

 

[fireproof78]

Prefer whenever the they like. I despise event days.

 

[Amasov]

Prefer whenever the they like. I despise event days.

Understandable. I do enjoy them, but, when I expect certain things to be announced at them and then they aren't, disappointment sets in. I still don't mind them using those event days to do a bit of a deeper dive, but, if we at least got some sort of teaser trailer prior to that, I'd be very happy.

By the time Comic Con rolls around, they'd probably either have wrapped filming for the season or at the tail end of it.

 

[fireproof78]

Understandable. I do enjoy them, but, when I expect certain things to be announced at them and then they aren't, disappointment sets in. I still don't mind them using those event days to do a bit of a deeper dive, but, if we at least got some sort of teaser trailer prior to that, I'd be very happy.

By the time Comic Con rolls around, they'd probably either have wrapped filming for the season or at the tail end of it.

I mean, if they wanted to they could take early footage or wrapped episodes and put together a brief teaser.

But, then, I'm the person who has given up any interest in teasers and trailers so take my opinion with a cup of salt.

 

[cooleddie74]

The best Trek small screen teaser since 2001 was the 2016 teaser for DSC featuring the ship's original design. Ever since the best one is probably the one for PIC Season 2.

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[WarpFactorZ]

The best Trek small screen teaser since 2001 was the 2016 teaser for DSC featuring the ship's original design. Ever since the best one is probably the one for PIC Season 2.

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I still think Discovery is an ugly design. There's a reason it was nixed in the run-up to TMP...

 

[cooleddie74]

I'm no fan myself but I like the teaser design more than I do the Season 1 and 2 ship. At least in the 32nd century the revamped design for Discovery looks more appropriate.

 

[Tuskin38]

There's a reason it was nixed in the run-up to TMP...

The final one we got in Discovery looks almost nothing like the TMP one other than the general shape.

It's like comparing the TOS Connie and Ambassador.