Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[dcm]

I simply point out the error of calling the writer "inexperienced".

Writing the same immature crap from the safety of an institution does not increase your skill. Nor expand your scope on life. Many authors wrote their greatest works after formative real life experiences. Tolkien, Orwell, Hemmingway. Etc.

And when she doesn't?

I would be so happy. I truly, truly hope that she doesn't. I hope at least one SNW writer is on here right now, reading these forums, and rethinking future plot plans. Because if a normal working class guy like me can figure things out. Then it aint a good plot. Now is it? I want to be surprised. That's what contemporary writing lacks; A surprise. The last time I was surprised was at the end of infinity war. But sadly it was undone by endgame.

Not very Star Trek.
Over react much? That was all over the map. How may time travel episodes have the "do better theme"? They save that for when visiting "primitive planets" struggling with problems solved by the Federation long ago.
Greetings from 624 BCE
What a load of hogwash.
I'm in my sixties. I've heard this type of complaint for decades." Wah wah wah. The good ol'days " Ridiculous. No era's writers are all great and none are all hacks.

I love primitive planet episodes. Because they have to think around the issue. In those episodes they have to respect the prime directive. They cant just pull out phazers and dominate the primitives. But when it comes to earth in the past, they're so condescending that it pisses me off. Again in star trek 4, Mccoy's condemnation of 20th century medicine rubbed me the wrong way.

DS9 had really strong writing. Especially during the dominion war arc. The cardassians were very well written. They were suns of bitches and they were glorious at it. Dukat, Damar, Garak, they were fun to watch. Not to forget Weyoun. Infact almost all the original non federation aligned characters in DS9 were just done so well.

TNG devolved into pretentious technobabble when all the leftover TOS scripts ran out. TOS was campy but still fun.

 

[Mudd]

We have one special idiot that apparently took several tries before getting their GED.

There's nothing wrong with that.

We've got Harvard lawyers who have no clue what working class people want.

 

[cooleddie74]

Some of them don't care what working class people want. And some of those have "D"s after their names.

 

[fireproof78]

Many authors wrote their greatest works after formative real life experiences. Tolkien, Orwell, Hemmingway. Etc.

I don't expect that from Star Trek. Ever.

But when it comes to earth in the past, they're so condescending that it pisses me off. Again in star trek 4, Mccoy's condemnation of 20th century medicine rubbed me the wrong way.

You're telling me you've never looked in history and condemned the people there and their primitive ways?

 

[dcm]

You're telling me you've never looked in history and condemned the people there and their primitive ways?

No. I do not condemn the past. Because I was not there. No matter how much history may upset me(Should I condemn Lincoln for drafting my great x8 grandpa right off the boat from Ireland and forcing him to fight in a conflict that he had no stake in?). I do not condemn those who did not know any better.

However I do condemn the better educated people of the modern day. I condemn barbaric rites and rituals being carried out in the present day. I condemn religious slaughter in the name of any and all gods. I condemn genital mutilation performed on both men and women. I condemn those who create war, solely to benefit it from it by any means. I condemn the malevolent. The malfeasant. And those who knowingly do evil.

 

[Mudd]

It's not particularly useful to condemn the past.

 

[Wingcommanderdarkwolf01]

I dont know the star trek timeline apart from the basics. It just feels weird to me that kirk's career has stagnated. I mean if this show is supposed to follow TOS timeline then shouldn't his rank be much higher by now? At least an LT commander? Wait lemme guess, the genius writers are going to make pike recommend kirk for the farragut. Then make pike forcibly make kirk take over the enterprise from him. Because of what he saw in the time crystal. So boring and predictable. I bet you the writers are reading these forums right now and are like 'OH SHIT WE'VE BEEN FIGURED OUT!' I wouldn't be surprised. After all didn't star trek get sued by bablyon 5 creators over ds9? I know it was long time ago but it still happens.


But that's the thing. Time travel stories are lazy. In star trek. time travel stories exist to either maintain the status quo. I hated star trek 4 whales in space, because it was so damn stupid. Why time travel? Why not find a way to infiltrate the whale ship and blow it up from the inside out? The message of saving the whales could still be there. But in a less contemptuous fashion. And that's what I hate about star trek time travel stories. They have nothing but contempt for contemporary times. It's like the writers are nagging us, by having the characters tell us to "do better." Better with what? Well shit. That's easy for them to say, because they come from a post scarcity society. We're here still fighting over scraps. And you future/alien bastards gloat from your pedestal upon high, about how backwards we are. How we should just 'do better' and be more like you. When we dont know how. And you refuse to help us! It feels very colonialist and sneering imperialist to me. Like when churchill starved bengal. Or when stalin starved the ukraine.


Singh's emotional breakdown at the end feels like a red flag to me. I know it's going to affect her character later down the line somehow, some way. I've seen this before. Lemme guess she's going to sacrifice herself outta love for kirk and he'll never know why. God I shivered with cringe. It reads like something from tumblr.



You put to much faith in people with titles and accreditations.

I dont watch a lot of modern shows because they're so damn bad. Because the writing is shit. Because modern writers have zero real world experience and only write what they've already seen. I call them sheltered writers. Overly educated. With zero street smarts. They're people who've studied their craft in the classroom but know nothing of it in a practical sense. You can just tell who they are, by the way they write. It feels shallow and hollow. Their writing has no depth, no soul, no greater meaning behind it. On the surface it looks competent. But scratch it just a little bit and there's nothing there. Just emptiness.

Let me put it in a way you might understand. Modern hollywood writing is fraudulent. It's like a virgin who thinks he knows there's all to know about sex from pornos. But he's scared to touch a real breathing woman. I was that virgin once. Sure porn taught me the basics. But it didn't prepare me for the reality of intimate physical contact.

It's Ukraine not the ukraine.

 

[Set Harth]

Again in star trek 4, Mccoy's condemnation of 20th century medicine rubbed me the wrong way.

Was he wrong, though?

 

[The Wormhole]

The last time I was surprised was at the end of infinity war. But sadly it was undone by endgame.

I mean if anything the fact that Infinity War would be undone by Endgame should have been obvious right away. Infinity War ended with the deaths of characters who all had additional movies publicly announced. Did you seriously think all those characters were going to stay dead?

suns of bitches

Spelling ain't your thing, is it?

 

[cooleddie74]

Pulsars of Bastards was a great band if you were under the influence!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Writing the same immature crap from the safety of an institution does not increase your skill. Nor expand your scope on life. Many authors wrote their greatest works after formative real life experiences. Tolkien, Orwell, Hemmingway. Etc.

Since you’ve no actual idea of the life experience of the writer of “Tomorrow, Tomorrow and Tomorrow” this is an absurd line of thinking. And what “life experiences” are needed to write a story about two people from the future appearing in modern day Toronto on a mission to prevent a disastrous future? Life experience is just one source for a writer’s material. Tolkien was very much influenced by his academic interests when creating Middle-Earth. He was a University Professor.

No. I do not condemn the past. B

It’s amusing that you think a blanket condemnation of the past and a blanket condemnation of the present are different things

 

[Tuskin38]

just ignore them and move on.

 

[Sigma101]

who is Lana?

I meant La’an my bad. I was close enough right, lol.

 

[dcm]

Was he wrong, though?

No. And that's the worst part. He had the ability to help and he didn't. I dont care about preserving the timeline. Just being in the past already, greatly throws things outta wack. If I was sent back a thousand years with knowledge of current events and the means to change history. I sure as hell would try my best.

I mean if anything the fact that Infinity War would be undone by Endgame should have been obvious right away. Infinity War ended with the deaths of characters who all had additional movies publicly announced. Did you seriously think all those characters were going to stay dead?
Spelling ain't your thing, is it?

I dont follow the drama behind the series. I dont care. I only care about what actually happens inside the series. I want to be surprised.

Since you’ve no actual idea of the life experience of the writer of “Tomorrow, Tomorrow and Tomorrow” this is an absurd line of thinking. And what “life experiences” are needed to write a story about two people from the future appearing in modern day Toronto on a mission to prevent a disastrous future? Life experience is just one source for a writer’s material. Tolkien was very much influenced by his academic interests when creating Middle-Earth. He was a University Professor./QUOTE]
I may not know what the writers experienced personally. But from watching their work. I get the feeling that they are very sheltered. They write like typical upper middle class kids; who've never experienced a single hard day in their life. And I mean truly hard. Not, oh no their cat died. Or someone moved away. No, I mean that they've never had to struggle. Truly struggle. Their 'battles' lack physicality.

It’s amusing that you think a blanket condemnation of the past and a blanket condemnation of the present are different things

People like you who hate on the past for being bad or wrong, do so with privilege of hindsight. The people living in the past did not. And neither do we in the here and now. If your grandkids condemn you in this current time for something that you did or did not do, how would that make you feel?

 

[dcm]

How to edit?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I may not know what the writers experienced personally. But from watching their work. I get the feeling that they are very sheltered. They write like typical upper middle class kids; who've never experienced a single hard day in their life. And I mean truly hard. Not, oh no their cat died. Or someone moved away. No, I mean that they've never had to struggle. Truly struggle. Their 'battles' lack physicality.

And what specifically gives you this feeling? Name a scene or line. Also how much writing by “upper middle-class kids” have you read? And how did you know their societal and financial status? Do you teach Creative Writing at some upper middle-class school? You seem to regurgitate talking points that you may have heard somewhere, but lack any first hand knowledge or experience with them. The age old attitude that modern “kids” are soft, weak and never struggled. Again broad generalizations that lack substance.

People like you who hate on the past for being bad or wrong, do so with privilege of hindsight. The people living in the past did not. And neither do we in the here and now. If your grandkids condemn you in this current time for something that you did or did not do, how would that make you feel?

I’m sorry, when exactly did I “hate on the past?”
Depends, was it my power to effect change? Was it something beyond my control? Did I stand by and do nothing when someone was murdered? Did I turn a blind eye to abuse? Did I ignore the suffering of my fellowman because I wasn’t suffering? Complicated question.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yawn.*


*Snore

 

[Set Harth]

Life experience is just one source for a writer’s material. Tolkien was very much influenced by his academic interests when creating Middle-Earth. He was a University Professor.

Yes. He was a big fan of the Norman cavalry ( see Rohan ), and Old English, and languages in general. Also not very happy about what industrialization was doing to the English countryside ( see Ents vs. Isengard ).

 

[Commander Troi]

Also not very happy about what industrialization was doing to the English countryside

Also the scouring of the Shire.

 

[StarMan]

How to edit?

Bottom left of post, but I think you need to have been reg'ed a couple of weeks before the option is made available.

No. And that's the worst part. He had the ability to help and he didn't. I dont care about preserving the timeline. Just being in the past already, greatly throws things outta wack. If I was sent back a thousand years with knowledge of current events and the means to change history. I sure as hell would try my best.

Admiral Janeway approves.