Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[jaime]

I think in a such polarized world, it is almost impossibile to do a good quality-tv show for families. I mean, imagine an episode where they say that trans people have rights. Really, there would be a Capitol-style assault on studios.

I prefer a Trek show for us streaming viewers and not just something that appeals to the lowest common denominator. For that there are the countless L&O shows.

And maybe I'm not a big connoisseur of the American television scene, but what is considered a good quality family TV show broadcast on your national networks?

I’m not American. Doctor Who was squarely aimed at the family audience from its inception, but sometimes that wanders when it gets caught up in itself. It hasn’t been consistently family viewing since the late Capaldi era, but that era also produced some fine allegory SF, in a way the current era fails magnificently at.

 

[fireproof78]

I’m not American. Doctor Who was squarely aimed at the family audience from its inception, but sometimes that wanders when it gets caught up in itself. It hasn’t been consistently family viewing since the late Capaldi era, but that era also produced some fine allegory SF, in a way the current era fails magnificently at.

Man. I know that mileage will vary but I would not watch DW with my kids. They would be unhappy with pretty much all of it.

 

[137th Gebirg]

A little of topic, would you consider Yamato 2199 a family tv show?

Weeellll... That's a good question!

Japanese anime definitely has more of an adult tone to it than most western cartoons. There are some pretty brutal space combat scenes early on when Okita's EDF ships engage with enemy forces, with the Gamilas beam weapons cutting through Earth hulls like butter and sucking people out into space (arguably a pretty harsh way to die). I think my daughter (who was 7 at the time) walked through the room when I was watching it, but got bored pretty quickly, since I was watching it in the original Japanese w/ subtitles, and went back to her iPad. She didn't seem terribly disturbed by the visuals, though. May be a different story w/ English dub, but there are still some adult themes that she may not like. She didn't see any of 2202, but I know she would get inconsolably sad watching the storyline about Kato's and Makoto's sick son (Tsubasa) on the moon. She's amazingly empathetic about such things and might not handle it well at all.

I think the Boshido/Shinto concept of self-sacrifice may be a tad-bit of a noodle-scratcher in general for most western audiences, much less the younger ones. It's all very Japanese, in many ways.

 

[Skipper]

Man. I know that mileage will vary but I would not watch DW with my kids. They would be unhappy with pretty much all of it.

Err, why?

 

[fireproof78]

Err, why?

Between the monsters, death and destruction, and lack of something cute it would be uninteresting if not tear inducing.

 

[jaime]

Man. I know that mileage will vary but I would not watch DW with my kids. They would be unhappy with pretty much all of it.

Me either since about.... I dunno, four or five series back? Matt Smith was last with real cross age appeal tbh.

Thing is I started watching when I was three in the eighties.

 

[valkyrie013]

Yamato a family afair? Maybe that Y7 rating? 7 and up for fictional violence? Its not R Rated but not exactly Barney. So in a way yes, I'd watch it with my kids, but not under 7 or so? I mean Tng had head explodings and parasites in guts when I was 8, and i'm... Okay? ( subject to debate...)
Modern Doctor Who would also be Y7 for me.
Some modern Trek would be 10 and up.. to much sex, violence and language.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Back when the new last season of Samurai Jack aired (2017), my daughter watched it religiously. She loved the artwork, animation and martial arts scenes, but completely lost her shit over the time-travel aspect when Jack's wife disappeared from existence in the future after being killed in the past by Aku. It wasn't just the fact that she was killed that bothered her so much, but that she was killed in the past and disappeared in the future. She couldn't wrap her brain around the time paradox involved. She was four at the time. I wouldn't expect anyone at that age to be able to work out the theoretical temporal physics and she actually tried - I was so proud of her! ... Even though it broke her brain for a short bit.

Fast forward to a couple of months back, with a Disney show called "Secrets of Sulphur Springs", which also has a very heavy time-travel aspect. She picked right up on it away and I explained the grandfather paradox to her and she understood it completely. Wasn't bugged by it at all. I used the BTTF/Trek-Kelvin events as examples of the timeline splitting to prevent paradox and she totally got it. She recently asked me, after a Star Trek Online session if the Romulans were the ones who destroyed Vulcan. Proud pappa moment again!

Kids are resilient, I tells ya! And I think we underestimate and coddle them way too much. Every time I push the boundary with my kid, she jumps 3 steps ahead to compensate. I just recently taught her chess - she mastered the basics in a day but has a hard time thinking ahead for a full session and gets tired out. It'll come, I'm sure... Just need patience.

 

[jaime]

Back when the new last season of Samurai Jack aired (2017), my daughter watched it religiously. She loved the artwork, animation and martial arts scenes, but completely lost her shit over the time-travel aspect when Jack's wife disappeared from existence in the future after being killed in the past by Aku. It wasn't just the fact that she was killed that bothered her so much, but that she was killed in the past and disappeared in the future. She couldn't wrap her brain around the time paradox involved. She was four at the time. I wouldn't expect anyone at that age to be able to work out the theoretical temporal physics and she actually tried - I was so proud of her! ... Even though it broke her brain for a short bit.

Fast forward to a couple of months back, with a Disney show called "Secrets of Sulphur Springs", which also has a very heavy time-travel aspect. She picked right up on it away and I explained the grandfather paradox to her and she understood it completely. Wasn't bugged by it at all. I used the BTTF/Trek-Kelvin events as examples of the timeline splitting to prevent paradox and she totally got it. She recently asked me, after a Star Trek Online session if the Romulans were the ones who destroyed Vulcan. Proud pappa moment again!

Kids are resilient, I tells ya! And I think we underestimate and coddle them way too much. Every time I push the boundary with my kid, she jumps 3 steps ahead to compensate. I just recently taught her chess - she mastered the basics in a day but has a hard time thinking ahead for a full session and gets tired out. It'll come, I'm sure... Just need patience.

It’s not the complicated concepts that put me off from a kids perspective, it’s the violence and gore (trek) and the child dying under the ice while the doctor rescues his screwdriver, or the patchwork robots (who)

 

[137th Gebirg]

Yeah, a lot of that does seem excessive. Parents are increasingly challenged to be mindful of such things and be aware of them, certainly, in case a kid does accidentally run across something that puts a strain on their more limited world view.

Sadly, with COVID last year, and the increasing usage of electronics for education, it had the unfortunate byproduct of introducing the younger kids (I would say prematurely) to the greater internet, where some deep swamp creatures lurk. Unless they're watched VERY closely, they could dip their toe a little too far in that dark water and something is more-than-likely going to come out and pull them in. It's gotten to be way too scary a world these days for the young ones, and many parents don't even notice it.

 

[JLBTucker]

On the Prodegy show, why is Janeway were the Voyger/DS9 uniform?

 

[Nerys Myk]

On the Prodegy show, why is Jansway were the Voyger/DS9 uniform?

I assume the hologram was made during Voyager's Delta Quadrant journey.

 

[fireproof78]

On the Prodegy show, why is Jansway were the Voyger/DS9 uniform?

Dr. Zimmerman thought it looked the best when programming the ETH (Emergency Training Hologram).

 

[NCC-73515]

I think in a such polarized world, it is almost impossibile to do a good quality-tv show for families. I mean, imagine an episode where they say that trans people have rights. Really, there would be a Capitol-style assault on studios.

I really hope that's not a controversial minority opinion...

 

[Danja]

Or Bisexual.
She did seem to have legit feeling for Chakotay.

She was young and naive. He violated her. (He ordered her thrown out an airlock and then crawled around inside her head!)

I don't blame her for leaving him.


Rape = Love = Berman-era thinking

 

[valkyrie013]

Well it's so hard nowadays to keep track of what the kids are reading watching or looking at

back in them old days when I was growing up I was watching TV I was watching TV in the living room with the parents and if I had any questions Id ask them.
Now they're so glued to their tablets and watching whatever in their room, the family hardly ever gets together anymore and it opens up to strangers on the internet's raising your kids
It was easier back then to monitor what your kids were watching and doing. Now you have to be an IT expert to figure it out.
But I bet our parents said the same thing on how the younger generation had some screws loose.

 

[NCC-73515]

Rape = Love = Berman-era thinking

Are you sure it's VOY you're talking about?
Her feelings for Axum or whatever his name was, in Unimatrix 0, were certainly real.

 

[cooleddie74]

Chakotay and Seven was just a bad idea from the start. It makes Worf/Troi look like something out a Bronte Sisters novel.

 

[Danja]

Are you sure it's VOY you're talking about?
Her feelings for Axum or whatever his name was, in Unimatrix 0, were certainly real.

I was specifically referring to Chakotay.

 

[Quinton]

Seven/Chakotay is the worst major pairing in the franchise, bar none. Look, I get it; you don't have to do the Seven/The Doctor thing that many of us wanted. You should do what feels best instead.

Unless what feels best is somehow Seven/Chakotay. Then, dear writers, you should sleep it off and come in fresh tomorrow.