Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[dinzy]

Well, that's okay, see. If he'd transformed from Jones to Williams, it would have been "cultural vandalism."

The politically correct term is "Cultural Appropriation." That is when an entity in the culture copies an element in the culture and propagates the meme but there is a contrary meme out there that declares natural cultural propagation of memes are bad when done by a member of a different subculture and a subculture that holds some cultural advantage over the subculture that originates that contrary meme. The authority on these matters is clearly the members of the subculture that "commit" this theft of memes but understand than it is a theft.... while also failing to understand how memes propagate.

 

[XCV330]

I loved this episode. Don’t have more to add than what has already been discussed in this thread. What a time to be a Trek fan!

agreed. nitpickers will disect it, open it up to see what it ate, try to stomp all the joy out if it, but that's fine. it was well done. this honestly was the star trek i have been hoping for.

 

[indranee]

Rewatching the scenes between Spock & T'Pring one gets the distinct impression that he actually does love and care for her and it isn't just because of the 'arranged marriage'.

Years later, when he gets over the fact that Jim isn't dead, he must have really been broken hearted that she turned on him.
(though his logical mind would understand why)

I got that impression (that he did have feelings for her) watching him watch her on the bridge viewscreen in TOS. Nimoy as usual did a bang up job showing how complicated Spock's mind and heart were.

 

[Harpsichord]

Agreed. I misremembered the quote. Yes, 2 billion is a huge number. My only point was that it isn't total nuclear war where no one at all would survive. The US and USSR each have the ability to destroy the world many times over. Clearly, in a total nuclear war, the human race would be extinct. WW3 in the Prime timeline wasn't a total nuclear war. Yeah, I'm sure it sucked bad . . . to put it mildly!

That's the 2nd time you've mentioned the USSR in the present tense.. I just want to make sure you know that hasn't been in a thing since like 1991.

 

[Mr Awe]

That's the 2nd time you've mentioned the USSR in the present tense.. I just want to make sure you know that hasn't been in a thing since like 1991.

Sorry, old habits. You're correct!

 

[Annorax849]

The whole "first contact has been violated thing" has already been visited twice in 21st century Trek. The Ferengi in 2151(204 years before official first contact at the Battle of Maxia Zeta) and the Borg in 2153(140 years before the El-Aurian refugees seen in GEN and roughly 200 years before the Hansen Expedition to study the Borg, and that was also before official first contact in 2365). This isn't our first dance with "did they or didn't they meet this species" and none of them have been violated nor broken canon.

In both of those situations, the name of the species wasn’t revealed to humans. We can debate the idea of whether humans should meet them at all, but there was no violation there.

 

[Tuskin38]

That's the 2nd time you've mentioned the USSR in the present tense.. I just want to make sure you know that hasn't been in a thing since like 1991.

Well according to TNG it came back at some point

Why is this poll reversed?

Serveaux made a mistake.

 

[Mr Awe]

Your conclusion doesn't follow from the premises. That's what "logic" means.


You can have a global nuclear war without using your entire arsenal and killing everybody. Speaking of reading comprehension, it helps to actually read what I post.


Maybe you need to stop being a dick.

Wow, now you're getting rude! Take a break man.

For the record, I said "limited" nuclear war--I never said "global". It wasn't an all out nuclear war. And, yes, what I said is quite logical. If it was total nuclear war, humans would be extinct. But it was limited, so only 30% died.

But I don't appreciate your insults, so I'm done with this inane conversation.

 

[cooleddie74]

And ENT kind of urinated in the communal swimming pool in Season 4 anyways when Archer and others learned of a power called the Gorn Hegemony and tasted an alcoholic beverage from the species. Hearing about an alien race and then a small girl being held prisoner by that race many decades later with no firm determination on first contact status are completely separate from the events of "Arena(TOS)" so don't conflict with them.

 

[DaveyNY]

The Gorn debate is silly.

Obviously "ARENA" is the First Time a STAR FLEET SHIP/CREW from the TOS era actually encounters them.

La'an was a child who conveyed her horrible experience after having been captured from a colony and then released a few years later to be picked up by a non-Star Fleet group/ship.

 

[indranee]

Nurse Chapel has been busy

She's a genius alright.

 

[indranee]

Dunno about you, but I'm praying for a big shiny spaceship to hover in the sky and tell us to shape up so we can join the stars.

Holy shit Starbase One is gorgeous!

You've just outlined every Trekkie's dream scenario.

 

[fireproof78]

Una was an ensign, a commander now, .. And La'an is a Lt now, so id say 10 years minimum. No date was given. So just a guess. I'll have to rewatch Arena see what they sat/do again.
Nothing Earth shattering including them but details are details.

I've reread the transcript. The ship didn't identify itself and just attacked the colony. Kirk simply states he is fighting a creature "the Metrons call a Gorn. " it implies his unfamiliarity, and Spock and McCoy comment about the possibility of the colony being in the wrong due to encroaching on Gorn space. All Spock states is the area is largely unknown.

 

[DaveyNY]

It's funny that this episode actually showed us what might have happened after the events in
"A Piece of the Action" as the result of McCoy loosing his communicator on Sigma Iotia II.

 

[Kaelef]

Here's a nice surprise: I actually want to re-watch this episode. That's nearly never been the case for me with Discovery or Picard. (To be fair, though, I rarely feel like re-watching strongly serialized shows - even the good ones.)

Aaand - I watched it again and enjoyed it just as much! The nitpicking about Chapel's access to crew DNA doesn't seem like a thing: it's handled well. Spock showing up in less than a day from Vulcan is obviously a goof, but I didn't even notice it the first time around. There's a few lines that were very hard to understand and I had to turn on captions. I really liked Spock's scene with T'pring (though I wish they'd done a little of the Vulcan finger-touching thing to give it a little more of an alien touch). My good experience survived two viewings...

 

[fireproof78]

Aaand - I watched it again and enjoyed it just as much! The nitpicking about Chapel's access to crew DNA doesn't seem like a thing: it's handled well. Spock showing up in less than a day from Vulcan is obviously a goof, but I didn't even notice it the first time around. There's a few lines that were very hard to understand and I had to turn on captions. I really liked Spock's scene with T'pring (though I wish they'd done a little of the Vulcan finger-touching thing to give it a little more of an alien touch). My good experience survived two viewings...

Won't survive a third

 

[Kaelef]

Won't survive a third

This may actually get me to start buying Trek on discs again!

 

[fireproof78]

This may actually get me to start buying Trek on discs again!

Oh no, not that!

 

[Kaelef]

Oh no, not that!

You're right - I'm jumping the gun. Let's see how episode 2 does...

 

[Trekker4747]

So, this less-advanced species on par with us detected some warp signatures "nearby" and just reverse-engineered the technology and weaponized it inside a year or so?

That's a lot to swallow.

Still, really, a pretty solid episode. Will give it's full re-watch this weekend. (First viewing was kind if broken up with a day of work between the second act/"commercial" break and the rest of the show.)

Pike's wife? Girlfriend? Nightly Fling? Calls the communicator a "phone?"

I really like the "take me to your leader" moment, him revealing the ship, and the coming into the summit to set them straight. As I think about it more the episode really comes out as good and all of the goods outweigh the nitpicks and stylism/dislogue/behavior quibbles I have. Really, this is probably the best and most "Trek"-like I've seen since Enterprise was canceled.

Hopefully the road will level out as we move forward.