Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[Paterson]

And you think the exception somehow counters an argument that contains the word "usually"?

It counters this argument you made which I responded to, I'll quote it again:

I was just pointing out a distinction between the way SNW did it and the way Trek has historically done it,

Your argument is bulshit, there is no distinction as Trek has in fact "historically" done exactly this, all the way to the very beginning.

As for "usually", well duh, "usually" there aren't any Romulans in a given episode, doesn't mean they're not a part of Star Trek.

 

[Belz...]

It counters this argument you made which I responded to, I'll quote it again:

Your argument is bulshit, there is no distinction as Trek has in fact "historically" done exactly this, all the way to the very beginning.

Again, pointing out exceptions in no way negates a generality. The argument is only BS if you read it wrong. Pointing out that Trek usually employs allegories to make social points in no way implies that it NEVER makes those points directly or awkwardly. So again, the "counter" doesn't actually run counter to the argument.

As for "usually", well duh, "usually" there aren't any Romulans in a given episode, doesn't mean they're not a part of Star Trek.

That doesn't even make any sense. "X is usually Y and so it's not usually Z" is in no way analogous to "X is not usually Z so Z is not part of X". NO ONE said that more direct social commentaries are not part of Star Trek.

Once again it seems that you, and others, simply don't understand the arguments you're responding to.

 

[Jayson1]

It was a complete joke, and an embarrassment. And it was as subtle as a baseball bat.

Declaring bad writing to be indirect, effective and clever does not make it so.

I don't know that I love the visuals with Pike's speech, but I'll take his words over the sledgehammer, trite and self-congratulatory bad messaging of TOS episodes like "A Private Little War" or "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" seven days a week.

I loved the speech as well. Actually when it comes to Trek I usually love good speeches. Not sure if their is another show or franchise that these kind of speeches can work as well as they often do in Trek. Everything from KIrk's We are killers but I choose not to kill today to what seems like hundreds of them by Picard.

 

[Mudd]

One of the things I liked about Pike was his use of horrific human experience to make his point, rather than just going straight to the Trek-standard "Come on up and join us evolved humans in the sunlight."

Way back in TOS, there was that episode with Sargon where Kirk smugly boasted about humanity:

KIRK: Then perhaps your intelligence wasn't so great, Sargon. We faced a similar crisis in our early nuclear age. We found the wisdom not to destroy ourselves.

SARGON: And we survived our primitive nuclear era, my son.

"Primitive nuclear era." Like, put your toys away, Jimmy.

 

[Jedman67]

"The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!" One of the best Trek speeches

 

[cooleddie74]

Honestly, nobody's going to really care who Trump is in 20 years

Doubtful.

 

[Gov Kodos]

I was amused that kept the long tradition of worthless security on the ship. Random alien wakes up and takes a sprint to the bridge. Why bother with restraints on the biobed? So what if an unconscious patient rolls off the bed. Or one you're just trying to keep in sickbay. Nice to see traditions are kept. I'm looking forward to the ship losing the helm when the alien of the week asks to go to toilet where there's a convenient panel to access the system controls.

 

[cooleddie74]

Lazarus got to run around the ship with no supervision. That needs to happen at least once even if there's an in-episode explanation that the ship's internal sensors are offline. Trek always needs at least one episode in each series where aliens run all over the ship instigating trouble and the Captain doesn't know where they are.

 

[Jedman67]

And apparently the transporter can change your clothes now? Not that it shouldn't, just...unexpected.

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there is precedent

 

[DaveyNY]

In fairness, those instructions are vague.

How the heck is Read ALL the Questions THEN do the rest, Vague?????
COMPREHENSION was even in the Title of the Course.

 

[137th Gebirg]

There might be a fictional politician in place of Trump in Trek's version of history, and I see no problem with that. Lawsuit avoidance is a sensible practice up to a point.

There was in STO. A Kentari by the name of Pentarro. "He initially presents himself as overly cautious of outsiders, but eventually reveals himself to be a Traditionalist." Even modeled to look like him. A painfully unsubtle Trump. A shame... the Lukari campaign was pretty interesting until that one showed up.

 

[Belz...]

"The line must be drawn here! This far, no further!" One of the best Trek speeches

But which one? The Picard one or the Quark one?

 

[Jedman67]

Both!!

 

[cooleddie74]

Wasn't Henry Starling in VOY basically a way of skewering 1990s Bill Gates without actually giving him the name or something that sounded like it? If so it won't be the first time Trek has stuck it to a then-current politician or business figure to make a larger point.

 

[Belz...]

How the heck is Read ALL the Questions THEN do the rest, Vague?????

It's not vague, but although the intended interpretation is the correct one, reading EACH question and then answering each is not entirely incorrect, either. If I'm being devil's advocate.

 

[Amaris]

How the heck is Read ALL the Questions THEN do the rest, Vague?????
COMPREHENSION was even in the Title of the Course.

Are you asking me to read all the questions on the test sheet, as a whole, before I start answering, or are you asking me to read each question before I answer?

 

[DaveyNY]

Heh ...
If "Read ALL The Questions.
THEN do something else..." is too complicated for you, you both would have failed the course.

The three instruction lines were even separated.

 

[Amaris]

Heh ...
If "Read ALL The Questions, THEN do something else..." is too complicated for you, you both would have failed the course.

You said it was:

Read all the questions.
Then answer to the best of your ability.
Then sign at the bottom of the last page, turn in the exam papers and leave.

Read all of the questions. Then answer to the best of your ability.

So read all of the questions on the test before starting? Or is it read the question (with the full intent of understanding it) before answering?

Not everyone's brain processes data the same way.

 

[fireproof78]

Heh ...
If "Read ALL The Questions.
THEN do something else..." is too complicated for you, you both would have failed the course.

The three instruction lines were even separated.

I recall a similar test. Getting done before others was quite satisfying.

 

[Trekker4747]

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there is precedent

First Contact takes place over 100 years after SNW.