Spoilers Strange New Worlds 1x01 - "Strange New Worlds"

[trekfan_1]

Only for die-hard fans who actually delve into the history and details of the show. That's what fans often fail to understand: the franchise isn't just for them.
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I disagree. I introduced my partner to Modern Trek a few years ago. She never watched old trek. She liked what she saw and I have since introduced her to the older shows. She had the reverse effect from the trekkie fanboys that drool over the connections to old cannon.. She appreciated canon connections in the old show that tied to modern story lines. It added depth and made the modern shows more real to her. It added more weight to what is happening

I know this is just one experience and you will likely say this is an exception to the rule. Regardless I think there is merit to an all encompassing shared universe. Not just "obsessed trekkies" think this. it adds more scope to the shows

 

[Richard S. Ta]

The theme is an earworm. It's been playing in my head all day.

On reflection, I didn't hate SNW. I think I enjoyed it, but I wasn't sure I 100% liked it.

It's the first episode though. These things take a few episodes to get a groove on.

I was looking forward to standalone episodes, but I'm not sure now. It's weird missing that serialised feeling. I didn't think I would, but I do a little.

All the characters are good. Mount is great. I thought Peck fumbled Spock a little... first episode. That's alright.

It'll be interesting to see how the season plays out. I think we really need to see around 5 episodes before we have a good idea of how varied the tone, storylines and so on are. It's definitely fruitless to try to map out the shape of the season from one episode.

I'm happy we have a new flavour of Trek. It might not be my favourite flavour, but I can certainly understand why many would like it.

7/10

 

[DesolationGod]

Holy crap, 45 pages? I assume everyone rushed here to talk about HOW AMAZING that premiere was?

yup loved it! Liked seeing the imagery from the 21st century wars as well, thought that was awesome

 

[zenophite]

I do love the fact that SNW is implicitly equating support for Trumpism with fault for World War III. I kind of wish Pike had been more overt in identifying fascism as a problem instead of going with this "both sides have different ideas of freedom"/both-sides-are-valid rhetoric.

I didn't get that implication at all and was glad to see they took the approach they did, rather than trying to make an explicit statement about who or 'which side' is supposedly to blame for the conflict. Especially one that strokes the ego of certain segments of the population at the expense of others.

 

[DEWLine]

I'm sure there's a lot of people in-universe who argue about the historical relationships/order of events re: Second American Civil War, Eugenics Wars and WW3. Some people probably think the Second American Civil War started from the Civil Rights and Womens' Rights movements. It depends on the characters' POV.

 

[Verteron]

"Strange New Worlds" marks the first reference to something called the Federation High Court, which apparently wanted to prosecute Pike for his actions on Kiley. It's unclear if the High Court is the same institution as the Federation Supreme Court, established in "Dr. Bashir, I Presume?" (DS9). I would point out that it's unusual for a court to so openly take sides against the accused. Perhaps the High Court serves a different function? Or perhaps the Federation judiciary is structured differently than real-life courts, perhaps based on non-Earth legal traditions?

The UK has a High Court and a Supreme Court. The High Court hears the most serious and sensitive cases when they first go to trial, whereas the Supreme Court is the court of final appeal and deals with constitutional matters. Based on the two references in dialogue we've heard about both in DS9 and SNW, the same arrangement would fit in here.

Plus you'd assume the Federation Court system would blend elements from all the founding members' judicial systems, perhaps High/Supreme are just the English translations of a court system rooted in Vulcan, Andorian or Tellarite tradition.

 

[Farscape One]

I don't know if anyone mentioned this, because the thread is so long, but I knew I recognized the voice of the female leader.

It's Samantha Smith, better known as Mary Winchester from SUPERNATURAL!

 

[Athena28]

Definitely a bit hokey. But I like a moral at the end, etc. Enjoyed it.

 

[Belz...]

Possibly too large. One thing I think COVID has illustrated is how badly society is damaged when you lose even a relatively small percentage of the population. I'm honestly not convinced that the economic infrastructure necessary to keep the survivors alive would itself survive if 2 billion people died.

The black death killed, in some places, 30% or even 50% of the population, and not only did the economy survive, it was transformed and bloomed.

It is true that DIS and PIC are a times brooding and melancholic. However, you are ignoring the fact that they fall in the tradition of another ST show -- DS9 was often brooding and melancholic!

I completely disagree. DS9 challenged and battered the Trek philosophy, and saw it triumph. The challenges were hard, but the characters didn't spend entire half-seasons brooding and moping.

I disagree. I introduced my partner to Modern Trek a few years ago. She never watched old trek. She liked what she saw and I have since introduced her to the older shows. She had the reverse effect from the trekkie fanboys that drool over the connections to old cannon.. She appreciated canon connections in the old show that tied to modern story lines. It added depth and made the modern shows more real to her. It added more weight to what is happening

I know this is just one experience and you will likely say this is an exception to the rule.

Well you did set that precedent. But yes, I was speaking generally, not absolutely.

Regardless I think there is merit to an all encompassing shared universe.

You won't get any argument from me here. But the point is that it's unreasonable to expect dozens of writers over decades to all stick to the same strict continuity.

 

[JLBTucker]

You won't get any argument from me here. But the point is that it's unreasonable to expect dozens of writers over decades to all stick to the same strict continuity.

Exactly star trek is big i dont expect theme to remember every detail, just dont beam through the shields, only pet peeve

 

[Dar70]

Spoiler

Oof, I wonder if the writers were still thinking from the perspective of DSC Seasons 1 or 2. Because if this is after DSC Season 2 in 2259 like the prop showcase said, then 10 years would place it after 'The Menagerie'
Also odd, how did Pike know when it was? Nothing in the vision gave a year

Well isnt discovery about 10 years from TOS? Season 2 was just after one and SNW is just a few months after season 2 disc. Pike says about 10 years. Right?? So it seems to fit. Plus it happened mid season 1 of TOS...

 

[Mudd]

They did completely rebuild the White house from the inside during the Truman Administration with steel and reinforced concrete, so it can probably take quite the beating.

But not a modern nuclear strike.

 

[Amaris]

The black death killed, in some places, 30% or even 50% of the population, and not only did the economy survive, it was transformed and bloomed.

The economic systems of mid-14th century England, Eurasia, and northern Africa were just a mite different from the late stage capitalist system to which many nations currently ascribe today. There may be more flourishing, depending upon the metric one uses to measure actual prosperity, but the system is built on top of a rather precarious foundation that requires continuously expanding resources. As a minor example, look what one stuck ship sitting in a canal managed to do over a matter of days. Honestly, this whole system crashes every roughly 8 to 12 years and has to be fortified with an influx of new capital and resources, a modification of the books, and in 8 to 12 years it does it again because it's entirely built on short term gain.

So no, our system wouldn't survive WWIII and come out flourishing, it would have to evolve into a more robust, secure system. What that is I will leave to the reader, but suffice to say this one isn't it.

 

[Jayson1]

I have a question. Does anyone think any of Pike's crew from "The Cage" will show up this year in quest spots or that one ensign from Short Treks? I am still hoping for some Dr Boyce. I even wonder about Sarek and Amanda or maybe even Sybok.

Also did anyone notice if PIke brought his tv with him to the ship? One of the nice things from the episode was they picked a perfect movie to have him watching in "The Day the Earth Stood Still" which played well with the story with the aliens. I don't know if it was subtle foreshadowing but it was foreshadowing.

 

[Mudd]

I wouldn't be surprised if characters like Boyce are mentioned at some point.

 

[Athena28]

I have a question. Does anyone think any of Pike's crew from "The Cage" will show up this year in quest spots or that one ensign from Short Treks? I am still hoping for some Dr Boyce. I even wonder about Sarek and Amanda or maybe even Sybok.

Also did anyone notice if PIke brought his tv with him to the ship? One of the nice things from the episode was they picked a perfect movie to have him watching in "The Day the Earth Stood Still" which played well with the story with the aliens. I don't know if it was subtle foreshadowing but it was foreshadowing.

I enjoyed seeing that movie, too.

 

[Amaris]

I enjoyed seeing that movie, too.

Same. My mom would have strongly approved. She would have loved the pilot episode of SNW, and it would have made her excited to see the rest. As much as she loved the later versions of Star Trek (mainly TNG, honestly), her love was the original series, and "The Day The Earth Stood Still" was a movie we watched thousands of times. I still know it by heart. So yeah, seeing it on Pike's TV was a very good sign for me.

 

[Athena28]

Same. My mom would have strongly approved. She would have loved the pilot episode of SNW, and it would have made her excited to see the rest. As much as she loved the later versions of Star Trek (mainly TNG, honestly), her love was the original series, and "The Day The Earth Stood Still" was a movie we watched thousands of times. I still know it by heart. So yeah, seeing it on Pike's TV was a very good sign for me.

I actually never saw it, but am familiar with it.

 

[Mudd]

"Just like you said, whoever has the biggest stick wins. And in this case, that is me."

The only thing better than this line at that moment is the way that Mount delivers it.

 

[captainkirk]

Some random thoughts:

I still don't like the theme music
I do like the incidental music. Get Nami Melumad to compose the theme
The cast all seem very likable so far, although some of them get nothing to do this episode
I liked Spock's relationship with T'Pring
I'm torn on the history lesson Pike gives. On the one hand, it's very heavy-handed and will date the episode. On the other, it will annoy groups who shall not be named outside of TNZ and that makes me happy
I want them to ditch canon constraints completely and not be bound by any predetermined outcomes.