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Spoilers Stargirl - Season One Discussion Thread

And why didn't it glow when she confronted him with it immediately afterward? It couldn't have been depleted already because it wasn't used in the meantime.

Was it immediately? I thought she went after him and took a while to catch up to him in another location. If it was more than an hour, then presumably the hourglass would've run out.
 
Hina Khan is extremely distracting. That is the worst fake violin playing I've seen in ages. One would think she could go to a violin teacher for a couple of hours just to pick up some pointers. It doesn't take much fake it convincingly when that's the main power of your character.
I would think for a role based around playing the violin they would have looked for someone who could really play one.
I honestly get the necessity for the hourglass, because without it, Hourman is basically a juicer. Not a good look for a superhero show aimed at teens when one hero's powers are "takes performance enhancing drugs."

Effectively that's still what happens but the hourglass lets them at least make it look "magical". (see also: Shazam, He-Man, She-Ra, etc. etc.)

The comics have gone back and forth on what (if any) connection there is between the golden age Green Lantern and the silver age Green Lantern Corps.
Personally, I think the two are mutually exclusive. You can have one or the other be separate thing, not both. If you have both in the same universe, there has to be some kind of connection because it's way too much of a coincidence otherwise. I mean it's not just the name, it's also the lantern battery, the ring, and the green light powers.
How have they handled in the comics? The only GL comics I've read is Secret Origin.
I forgot that Alan Scott is not part of the GLC, so in that case, if the show does feature him more, it might be best to just not have a Corps in this universe, and just treat him as a unique character.
 
How have they handled in the comics? The only GL comics I've read is Secret Origin.
I think the current notion is that he's tied to "the green", the same Mother Earth/Gaia type of elemental force that also encompasses the likes of Swamp Thing, Poisen Ivy and a few others.
But comics being comics means there's been varying degrees of "this has nothing to do with Oa" and "this totally has something to do with Oa...kinda..maybe?" It depends on which retcon of a retcon you pick. I think at some point his kids inherit his powers and one joins Green Lantern Corps, but IIRC without need of a ring. There might have been another kid too, but I forget the details. I think CoIE bliped them all out of existence, but they may have later come back..and gone again. It's hard to keep track of the reboots these days. Even DC can't seem to make up it's mind who and what does and does not exist after these things.


For the record though, the original origin story of Alan Scott goeth thusly: Alan Scott gets in a train crash, coming too as the sole survivor (yes, MNS stole that for 'Unbreakable') inexplicably holding a lantern giving off a "queer green light" (it was the 40's, so that word had a different connotation...) So naturally he asks out load "why am I holding this thing!?" to which the lantern responds "Good question! Now here's my backstory!"

Short version: glowing green rock falls to earth in ancient China, yells a prophecy at the locals, then the local lamp maker crafts the rock into a lantern to hold the green flame. The village people get superstitious and try to lynch him, so it murders them all to death as per the prophecy. Fast forward a few centuries and a mental patient randomly finds the lamp at an asylum, decides to convert the old antique into a more modern design (because defacing priceless antiques was all the rage back then...) and suddenly he's cured of all mental illness (again, from the prophecy) and trundles off home.

Later it finds it's way onto Scott's train and again, as per the prophecy it saves him from the crash and gives him great power which brings us back up to date. Scott then crafts a ring from the lantern so he can keep the green flame on him and with his new magical abilities powered by his will, promptly goes after the bugger that derailed the train to begin with.

When they came up with Hal Jordan, they basically re-imagined the whole thing, not intending it to have anything to do with Alan Scott in terms of continuity, which is why the elements are familiar. Now it wouldn't take much to link the two together (like say, the rock was a GL Corps ring and for some reason instead of a person, it chose "The Green"--the way one chose Mogo--and 'The Green] in turn picked these various people through history to be it's avatar and wield the ring.) But that only matters if they want to use the Corps as well. Since the show seems to be mostly leaning on the Golden Age stuff exclusively, I doubt they'll complicate it that much and just go with "it's an ancient magic lantern".
 
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I think the current notion is that he's tied to "the green", the same Mother Earth/Gaia type of elemental force that also encompasses the likes of Swamp Thing, Poisen Ivy and a few others.
That was the New52 Earth 2 version. I believe the classic version powered by mystical energy is back in play.

Since the show seems to be mostly leaning on the Golden Age stuff exclusively, I doubt they'll complicate it that much and just go with "it's an ancient magic lantern".
Which works since the original character was inspired by Aladdin.
 
Which is exactly as sexist and wrong as saying "If she hadn't dressed revealingly she wouldn't have been raped." All you're doing is doubling down on the slut-shaming and victim-blaming.
You've hit on a pet peeve of mine, regarding the ability to hold two or more thoughts in our heads at the same time. For example, if a woman wears a bikini and decides to go walking down an alley in the part of the city with the worst crime rates, and something unfortunate happens to her, she's the victim of a crime and that is absolutely not her fault in any way. Crimes are the responsibility of those that commit them. *At the same time*, one hopes that the woman in question would exercise her knowledge and wisdom, and not freaking do that. It doesn't make her at fault for any crime, at all - but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure is a cliche for a reason.

Yolanda was a victim. 100% not her fault. Which does not change that an ounce of prevention in being aware of what could happen in her relationship, device security, etc, was not to be hoped for from one who is otherwise presented to be an intelligent young woman with probably at least a cursory interest in political issues. It was not her fault that people did what they did to her. It *was* a *mistake* to send those pictures.
I honestly get the necessity for the hourglass, because without it, Hourman is basically a juicer. Not a good look for a superhero show aimed at teens when one hero's powers are "takes performance enhancing drugs."

Effectively that's still what happens but the hourglass lets them at least make it look "magical". (see also: Shazam, He-Man, She-Ra, etc. etc.)

The comics have gone back and forth on what (if any) connection there is between the golden age Green Lantern and the silver age Green Lantern Corps.
Personally, I think the two are mutually exclusive. You can have one or the other be separate thing, not both. If you have both in the same universe, there has to be some kind of connection because it's way too much of a coincidence otherwise. I mean it's not just the name, it's also the lantern battery, the ring, and the green light powers.
Last time I was reading comics in the 90s, the Alan Scott lantern/battery was a chunk of the same metal the Oans used to build their central power battery out of. His kids with Thorn (a supervillain with mental illness issues) were Jade and Obsidian, and Jade joined the Corps for a while without need for a ring. My understanding is that there's a new parallel version of Alan who is a gay man. So I'm not clear which one the one on the show would be, if either. And Im sure the Starheart metal connection has been retconned and reinstated 10 times, this being DC we're talking about. ;)
 
I think the gay version was the one on the New 52 Earth 2, and as far as I know those version of the JSA aren't around any more and didn't last very long. I can't see the show going for anything from that series.
 
Yolanda was a victim. 100% not her fault. Which does not change that an ounce of prevention in being aware of what could happen in her relationship, device security, etc, was not to be hoped for from one who is otherwise presented to be an intelligent young woman with probably at least a cursory interest in political issues. It was not her fault that people did what they did to her. It *was* a *mistake* to send those pictures.

But what bothers me is that people are harping over and over again on what Yolanda supposedly did wrong and not pointing the spotlight where it truly belongs, on Henry for showing her private photos to his friends (if it was what it appeared like) and Cindy for stealing those photos and showing them to the whole school. Why are we devoting all this bandwidth to chastising Yolanda for her minor, blameless mistake and no bandwidth at all to condemning Henry and Cindy for their enormously worse, deliberate actions? That's what feels so unfair.

It's like when I was constantly bullied in grade school and all the teachers ever told me was "You're wrong to let the bullies get to you." But I don't remember a single damn one of them ever, EVER having the basic human decency and compassion to say to me, "The bullies were wrong to torment you." It would have made so much difference to me if anyone had said that, if they'd focused their attention on what the victimizers did wrong instead of just making their victim feel worse.
 
Last time I was reading comics in the 90s, the Alan Scott lantern/battery was a chunk of the same metal the Oans used to build their central power battery out of. His kids with Thorn (a supervillain with mental illness issues) were Jade and Obsidian, and Jade joined the Corps for a while without need for a ring. My understanding is that there's a new parallel version of Alan who is a gay man. So I'm not clear which one the one on the show would be, if either. And Im sure the Starheart metal connection has been retconned and reinstated 10 times, this being DC we're talking about. ;)

Yeah, like I said they've gone around and around on this one a few times over the decades. And to reiterate; my general attitude is that if it's a multiverse thing where there's no Oa, then by all means keep the Magic Green Fire Rock Lantern situation it's own deal. But if there is a GL Corps in the same universe then there really ought to be some connection...or just don't use Alan Scott.
Since they are using him and the show is very much Golden Age inspired, they're probably going to go with the former approach and hew somewhat closer to the original interpretation. They could still keep the gay angle without any problem though since there's nothing about his character that needs to be any particular orientation, and LGBTQ+ individuals of that generation and their struggles are even more under-represented than that of today's community members.
 
Was it immediately? I thought she went after him and took a while to catch up to him in another location. If it was more than an hour, then presumably the hourglass would've run out.
That would be pretty dumb. The hourglass should not just run out after an hour unless it was intentionally activated. I sure wouldn't want to be Hourman and have to wonder if I'll have superstrength when I need it or if my hourglass basically "butt-dialed" sometime within the past day. Of course, the whole "1 hour of super-strength every 24 hours" limitation is pretty dumb to begin with. Any villain could think, "Hourman was just active, so we should be able to commit crimes for the next 23 hours without worrying about him."

I would think for a role based around playing the violin they would have looked for someone who could really play one.
It's a lot easier to cast an actor and teach him or her to fake playing music than to find a musician and teach him to act. Although the fact is that Hina's acting is no great shakes, either. She just seems to have been cast because of Berlanti's and WB's proclivity for casting actors based on attractiveness and diversity. Although that makes me wonder who's going to be the token LGBTQ character, as all Berlanti shows must have.
 
That would be pretty dumb. The hourglass should not just run out after an hour unless it was intentionally activated. I sure wouldn't want to be Hourman and have to wonder if I'll have superstrength when I need it or if my hourglass basically "butt-dialed" sometime within the past day.

Maybe it was activated by coming into proximity with Tyler DNA for the first time in years. Maybe that "primed" it to Rick, and after that it has to be activated deliberately. Or something.


Of course, the whole "1 hour of super-strength every 24 hours" limitation is pretty dumb to begin with. Any villain could think, "Hourman was just active, so we should be able to commit crimes for the next 23 hours without worrying about him."

It made more sense when he got his powers from pills. It's not unreasonable that a substance that enhanced physical performance would take a toll on the body and you'd need time to recover before you could use it again.

And it's not a unique superhero limitation. The various incarnations of Ultraman can only operate on Earth for 3 minutes at a time, so the hero who summons/transforms into Ultraman can't use the power until the climax of the episode when things are at their most dire. (Although how long "3 minutes" actually is depends on the specific episode, and is sometimes much longer.)


It's a lot easier to cast an actor and teach him or her to fake playing music than to find a musician and teach him to act. Although the fact is that Hina's acting is no great shakes, either. She just seems to have been cast because of Berlanti's and WB's proclivity for casting actors based on attractiveness and diversity. Although that makes me wonder who's going to be the token LGBTQ character, as all Berlanti shows must have.

"Token?" I don't think you're using that word right. A token is a sole member of a group who's included as lip service to inclusion, usually relegated to a background role and defined exclusively by their group identity rather than having a fuller characterization. Most Berlanti shows have multiple major LGBTQ characters who are fully realized with their sexuality as just one facet of who they are. Arrow had Sara, Nyssa, Curtis and his two successive husbands, and William. The Flash has Captain Singh, Pied Piper, Nora West-Allen, and her love interest Spencer Young. Legends has Sara, Ava, Constantine, Gary, Charlie, and various of their romantic interests. Supergirl has Alex, Maggie, Kelly, Nia, and the female Brainiac-5. Batwoman has its title character, Sophie, Julia, Reagan, and Parker Torres. Black Lightning has Anissa Pierce and several of her lovers including Grace Choi and Jamilla Olsen. Outside of DC, Riverdale has Kevin, Joaquin, Cheryl, Toni, Moose, and really quite a few others.
 
It's a lot easier to cast an actor and teach him or her to fake playing music than to find a musician and teach him to act. Although the fact is that Hina's acting is no great shakes, either. She just seems to have been cast because of Berlanti's and WB's proclivity for casting actors based on attractiveness and diversity. Although that makes me wonder who's going to be the token LGBTQ character, as all Berlanti shows must have.
I wasn't thinking about teaching a musician to act, I just thought that a violin is a popular enough instrument that it wouldn't be hard to find an actor who can also play the violin.
Casting calls often include specific skills they want, and so all they would have had to do was include violin playing as one of the skills.
 
What about him?

The poster above, made a charged comment about who the token LGBT character is going to be, as if there should be just one, when really the lgbt world doesn't exactly look like an iceberg with only 5 percent above the waterline any more.

Yz shouldn't have gender, or at least their gender is whimsically fluid, or a reflection of the "master"... Did Jonni Thunder have a female Thunderbolt?

Yup.
 
The poster above, made a charged comment about who the token LGBT character is going to be, as if there should be just one, when really the lgbt world doesn't exactly look like an iceberg with only 5 percent above the waterline any more.

Yz shouldn't have gender, or at least their gender is whimsically fluid, or a reflection of the "master"... Did Jonni Thunder have a female Thunderbolt?
Different brand of Thunderbolt.
 
It's like when I was constantly bullied in grade school and all the teachers ever told me was "You're wrong to let the bullies get to you." But I don't remember a single damn one of them ever, EVER having the basic human decency and compassion to say to me, "The bullies were wrong to torment you." It would have made so much difference to me if anyone had said that, if they'd focused their attention on what the victimizers did wrong instead of just making their victim feel worse.
I get that, and had similar experiences in school. For instance, if I spoke Klingon or talked about TNG at the school I was at as a freshman in high school, I was going to catch hell. Was it wrong of me if I did that? No. Was I to blame for the reactions it got? NO. But did I figure out that I'd have better days if I didn't? You're darned right I did. And that's similar to what I'm saying about Yolanda, here. Not her fault, at all. But she could have thought about possible consequences a bit more, and saved herself some ostracization and heartbreak. Is that fair? Not in the slightest. But fair is something that comes to town once a year, unfortunately.
 
Okay, going from memory, so far we've seen or mentioned

Injustice Society
Brainwave (Coma) -> Brainwave Jr.
Wizard (Deceased)
Icicle -> Icicle II
Gambler
Fiddler -> Virtuoso
Shade (unknown - possibly deceased)
Dr. Ito (Dragon King) -> Shiv
Sportsmaster/Huntress -> Artemis
Solomon Grundy
They need to bring in Vandal Savage. Who's in dire need of a "make over" since appearing on Legends. His musical cue should be the Stones' "Sympathy For The Devil".
 
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If the lantern and the pen and the helm of fate are all extra dimensional beings... They might be playing a deeper game.

Does the ISA also have a genie?

The Wizard's wand?
 
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