Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Turtletrekker]

They'll diversify their targets when someone is revealed to be lgbt

Gina Yashere. And she was the first target of the hate machine as evidenced by a thread in this very forum.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Gina Yashere. And she was the first Target of the hate machine as evidenced by a thread in this very forum.

I meant character. Like if Darem were revealed to be bisexual later one his whiteness wouldn't protect him

 

[KirkusOveractus]

And I'll bet a hefty percentage of them haven't even watched the show beyond the trailer and some of the clips from the show.

Then if you counter them with that, you'll get the, "I don't need to watch it! It's the same woke crap!" argument.

 

[Dee1891]

I just want state that I haven't seen "Starfleet Academy" . . . yet. But my sister has. She thinks it sucks. Before you think she is some kind of "anti-woke" believer, she's not. Like me, she is the complete opposite. But she thinks the show sucks. And like myself, she believes the Star Trek franchise should end . . . right now or the immediate future.

 

[fireproof78]

And I'll bet a hefty percentage of them haven't even watched the show beyond the trailer and some of the clips from the show.

Then if you counter them with that, you'll get the, "I don't need to watch it! It's the same woke crap!" argument.

Yet it preoccupies their minds.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I just want state that I haven't seen "Starfleet Academy" . . . yet. But my sister has. She thinks it sucks. Before you think she is some kind of "anti-woke" believer, she's not. Like me, she is the complete opposite. But she thinks the show sucks. And like myself, she believes the Star Trek franchise should end . . . right now or the immediate future.

It really doesn't. As far as pilots go, it's right up there with Emissary and Broken Bow.

 

[Rahul]

On a note general note - let's use "SFA" as the abbreviation for Starfleet Academy. "SA" is what presidents do.

 

[Campe]

"SA" is what presidents do.

Oy, let’s not get into a politics discussion here. Unless it has to with the Federation.

 

[Magistos]

On a note general note - let's use "SFA" as the abbreviation for Starfleet Academy. "SA" is what presidents do

I agree with SFA.

 

[Tuskin38]

I’ve been using SFA for decades

I thought it was the most obvious abbreviation

 

[Magistos]

I enjoyed both episodes, and can't wait to see more. I was weirdly moved by the music and montage of the Athena setting down at Starfleet Academy in SF. I am sure some people didn't like it, but for me it seemed appropriate.

 

[Set Harth]

I’ve been using SFA for decades

but it's... a new show...

 

[BillJ]

I enjoyed both episodes, and can't wait to see more. I was weirdly moved by the music and montage of the Athena setting down at Starfleet Academy in SF. I am sure some people didn't like it, but for me it seemed appropriate.

You mean after they just executed the crew of another ship without offering surrender?

 

[Michael]

You mean after they just executed the crew of another ship without offering surrender?

I read the situation completely differently. Here’s an analogous hypothetical: Let's say a violent, unpredictable kidnapper is holding you at gunpoint; he has already shot at you and only narrowly missed killing you. With great effort, you manage to break free for a moment and take the gun from him. Can anyone reasonably expect you to offer the kidnapper the chance to surrender, or would it be much more understandable for you to use that brief moment to neutralize him before he regains control over you?

 

[BillJ]

I read the situation completely differently. Here’s an analogous hypothetical: Let's say a violent, unpredictable kidnapper is holding you at gunpoint; he has already shot at you and only narrowly missed killing you. With great effort, you manage to break free for a moment and take the gun from him. Can anyone reasonably expect you to offer the kidnapper the chance to surrender, or would it be much more understandable for you to use that brief moment to neutralize him before he regains control over you?

You are still supposed to kill the person once you have the upper hand?

These aren't civilians and that scene made a mockery of everything they were saying they stood for. Part of the job is it isn't easy to show mercy to people who are trying to kill you. The captain/commandant or whatever she is failed to show how a Starfleet officer is supposed to handle conflict.

 

[Michael]

You are still supposed to kill the person once you have the upper hand?

These aren't civilians and that scene made a mockery of everything they were saying they stood for. Part of the job is it isn't easy to show mercy to people who are trying to kill you. The captain/commandant or whatever she is failed to show how a Starfleet officer is supposed to handle conflict.

You’re assuming they have the upper hand indefinitely in that situation, but to me it rather seems like it’s only a moment that they have. They regain control of their weapons and have a chance to do something before they fire another volley of programmable matter, which lands them right where they started.

I’m just saying in the analogous scenario I described no-one could reasonably expect you to not fire the weapon. That’s what self defense is.

 

[BillJ]

You’re assuming they have the upper hand indefinitely in that situation, but to me it rather seems like it’s only a moment that they have. They regain control of their weapons and have a chance to do something before they fire another volley of programmable matter, which lands them right where they started.

They murdered everyone instead of having scanners or simply have analyzed the likely ports where the weapons were coming from?

Admittedly, Star Trek has always done this. This time though, we're teaching the children who are supposed to be the next generation of Starfleet leaders to do what is convenient in the moment vs. what is right.

That bothers me and is one of the things that has America on the path that it is on. Instant gratification vs. doing the hard work.

 

[Michael]

Shooting someone in self-defense before they regain violent control over you in a moment’s notice is not “instant gratification”, “convenient” or “murder”. Not in any just court of law.

 

[Firebird]

I just want state that I haven't seen "Starfleet Academy" . . . yet. But my sister has. She thinks it sucks. Before you think she is some kind of "anti-woke" believer, she's not. Like me, she is the complete opposite. But she thinks the show sucks. And like myself, she believes the Star Trek franchise should end . . . right now or the immediate future.

[Oh no… anyway_dot gif]

 

[BillJ]

Shooting someone in self-defense before they regain violent control over you in a moment’s notice is not “instant gratification”, “convenient” or “murder”. Not in any just court of law.

Not exactly cut-and-dry...

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