Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Galaxy]

Or simply when the writers who are from this century use this century as a reference point.

I demand 15th century writers.

Tell me, Master Data, how farest the vessel? Doth she warp true through this dark and silent celestial sea, or do the tachyons of the ether buffet her sides with undue malice?

My Lord Captain, the carrack Enterprise glideth upon the celestial currents with most passing grace.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Harry once called Tom lame, that's pretty 90s. Not quite as 90s as it would have been if he called something radical but still pretty 90s

 

[Fateor]

Thank you. In the Ensign Ro episode of TNG had a beautiful scene of Ro opening her too tunic like a jacket. There was no sean there but she opened it. When I first saw that scene I was so happy because it showed just how advanced even clothing was in the 24th century. I guess 900 years later they just couldn't do it even with programmable matter. Lol. But yeah its a big issue in my opinion .

They also did that in Lower Decks.

Hell, we even learn Starfleet Uniforms have invisible pockets!

That said, there's a lot of questionable choices around Starfleet uniforms. Like for instances why they aren't made of comfortable metamaterials with weaves that are somewhat resistant to heat/force. (Cause we can do that shit in real life.)

DSC Klingons exist.

In some quantum reality, certainly.

I am a little perplexed as to why they had to redesign so many aliens. I don't care so much, but there's no way I would have been able to tell it's a Xindi at all. At least with the weird looking Ferengi they are recognizable

It's literally just Glenn Hetricks Ego.

The guy wants to make his mark on the setting by "improving" various designs.

 

[Firebird]

It's literally just Glenn Hetricks Ego.

The guy wants to make his mark on the setting by "improving" various designs.

Prove it. Provide actual sources that back this up, just like your bullshit claim that special effects supervisors on set were supposedly putting cast and crew in danger on Discovery.

 

[fireproof78]

Zippers have been incorporated into every one of the costumes since the beginning. We can see them in Spock and Kirk's collars in Where No Man Has Gone Before. Sulu's early collar in The Corbomite Maneuver has one plain as day. The Eisenhower-style TNG jackets zip up in the back. The First Contact uniforms have clear zippers.

This is absolutely a non issue that you're complaining about just to complain.

That's a tru-Trek-fan, always complaining and never happy.

See also hunters, fishing enthusiasts, and video game players.

 

[Galaxy]

Two things will date a show the most: use of current (at the time) 'hit' songs and current (at the time) slang.

So I do agree with the point that the use contemporary slang/sayings can take you out of what you watch a bit and might suspend disbelief in parts.

I would agree that using contemporary music dates a show, but in a cool way, if one listens to an older film and a song one used to really like comes up, brings back memories.

Classical music stands the test of time the best. Is there a term of the modern bombastic hollywood style of classical music? I mean like the Hans Zimmer style of music. I guess technically, a lot of it is a symphony or a concerto but I am sure someone has come up with a term for it.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Exactly. The language was one of the things they watched in all treks. Language definitely changes over time. Even in 50 years. Yet in kurtzmans productions they all speak exactly like we do. Slang and swearing. In Star Trek the Voyage Hone they went out of their way to explain how language had changed. Kurtzman doesnt understand that at all.

The language used in 90's trek is more formal but it is not different to how modern people speak in the sense of the language and how they use words. In TNG they just sound like people working in a corporate office and are a bit snooty with their love of classical music and shakespeare. But the language overall has not changed. They don't use shortened variations of words or depict linguistic drift at all nor do they depict words as having fallen out of usage.

Archer was talking about 'knocking people on their ass' and Trip was always pretty 21st century casual in the way he spoke. Sisko used 'hell' a few times as did Data in first contact. So speaking like modern people was definitely a thing in Berman Trek.

 

[Farscape One]

I would agree that using contemporary music dates a show, but in a cool way, if one listens to an older film and a song one used to really like comes up, brings back memories.

Classical music stands the test of time the best. Is there a term of the modern bombastic hollywood style of classical music? I mean like the Hans Zimmer style of music. I guess technically, a lot of it is a symphony or a concerto but I am sure someone has come up with a term for it.

I guess for some, that would be a cool thing. Rarely does it work well in scifi.

STARGATE UNIVERSE, for example. Their use of contemporary music throughout really brought the show down.

 

[Set Harth]

i cant stand it i know you planned it ima set it straight this watergate

 

[TRON JA307020]

Zippers have been incorporated into every one of the costumes since the beginning. We can see them in Spock and Kirk's collars in Where No Man Has Gone Before. Sulu's early collar in The Corbomite Maneuver has one plain as day. The Eisenhower-style TNG jackets zip up in the back. The First Contact uniforms have clear zippers.

This is absolutely a non issue that you're complaining about just to complain.

The "zippers" in the collars as I've stated here befire were more like zip loc seals.

Again the Ensign Ro episode clearly showed that the uniforms has a invisible seam that could open and close. When it closes it looks like solid cloth.

 

[fireproof78]

The "zippers" in the collars as I've stated here befire were more like zip loc seals.

Again the Ensign Ro episode clearly showed that the uniforms has a invisible seam that could open and close. When it closes it looks like solid cloth.

And, as we all know, clothing never changes once these things happen. We never see tech change at all.

 

[TRON JA307020]

And, as we all know, clothing never changes once these things happen. We never see tech change at all.

Oh we do see changes. Im kurtzman trek the 32nd century humans seem to ve wearing 21st century hoodies. They seemed to have gone backwards.

 

[Campe]

Oh we do see changes. Im kurtzman trek the 32nd century humans seem to ve wearing 21st century hoodies. They seemed to have gone backwards.

Or they look like 21st century hoodies and are able to adapt to any climate. God, we are Star Trek fans. We used to use our intellect to actually try to make sense of things. Now if we don’t like it, we take it at face value.

 

[fireproof78]

Or they look like 21st century hoodies and are able to adapt to any climate. God, we are Star Trek fans. We used to use our intellect to actually try to make sense of things. Now if we don’t like it, we take it at face value.

Subtext is for muggles.

 

[fireproof78]

Oh we do see changes. Im kurtzman trek the 32nd century humans seem to ve wearing 21st century hoodies. They seemed to have gone backwards.

No. Using a simpler reliable tech isn't backwards. Not everything requires high tech. Hell, I still use zippers, buttons, magnets and laces on my clothes.

 

[Firebird]

The "zippers" in the collars as I've stated here befire were more like zip loc seals.

None of which is supported by dialogue or anything shown in the show. A zipper is a zipper.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I demand 15th century writers.

Tell me, Master Data, how farest the vessel? Doth she warp true through this dark and silent celestial sea, or do the tachyons of the ether buffet her sides with undue malice?

My Lord Captain, the carrack Enterprise glideth upon the celestial currents with most passing grace.

You jest, but Deadwood rocked my world for 4 years.

 

[Fateor]

Prove it. Provide actual sources that back this up, just like your bullshit claim that special effects supervisors on set were supposedly putting cast and crew in danger on Discovery.

Glenn Hetrick gave interviews you know...

In that one he literally says "let's plant the flag" and then goes on to talking about how they were "cleaning up lines" and doing it the way "they" would have done it in the past if they had more time.

Even without him directly stating it though, we have the evidence of multiple "modern" productions to look at with Picard, Strange New Worlds, and Discovery. And those makeup "updates" only exist in the show who's makeups he is in charge of.

Like seriously, it's hilarious how different the Strange New World Orions were from the plastic faced Orion's of Discovery.

 

[fireproof78]

Like seriously, it's hilarious how different the Strange New World Orions were from the plastic faced Orion's of Discovery.

They were pink instead of green? Or was it blue?

Make up must stand out differently to people hunting for it.

 

[cooleddie74]

In TFF Kirk wears what looks like a National Park-issued tourist T-shirt with the slogan "Go Climb A Rock" printed on the front. That movie is set in the year 2287. So, are T-shirts with slogans and catchphrases considered obsolete by Star Trek's time and is that shirt an affront to human progress as a society?