We don't know that for sure, since we don't know exactly how close to the events of TFA Ben turned. He could've been there for 5 years, or he could've been there for 1 year; we just don't know at this point.
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We don't know that for sure, since we don't know exactly how close to the events of TFA Ben turned. He could've been there for 5 years, or he could've been there for 1 year; we just don't know at this point.
Either way, that's still ample opportunity to burn it all and have done with it. Hell, he could have done that the very first day, if not the first hour! Lack of time clearly wasn't a factor here.
The similarities are only superficially similar and that much is a deliberate effort to not just reference those previous scenes, but subvert them.
Also, in terms of tropes, it's a distinctly different premise. With Yoda and Luke is was like a supplicant ascending to the mountaintop to learn at the feet of the great and wise master. With Luke and Rey, it played out more like the young rookie tracking down the reclusive, disillusioned old veteran and trying to drag them out of retirement kicking and screaming.
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Doesn't make the story choices bad. I mean, one could complain about the Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan similarities in Episode 1 and 4, or the asteroid field in 2 and 5, and on and on. As far as original story tropes, Star Wars is not known for them.
Luke demonstrates one of the greatest Jedi powers and principles ever seen on film, surpassing Yoda in his strategy. How is that boring?
Agree to disagree then, on both points.That projection thing? I’ve read better powers than that.
I mean the film itself was boring.
Luke follows Yoda's teaching. "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. Never for attack." Luke becomes the living embodiment of the Jedi ethos in that moment. Defeating evil with a need to kill at all.
Yeah, give me that over a lightsaber battle any day thanks.
Luke's farewell to Leia and his confrontation with Kylo is one of my absolute favorite moments in the entire franchise.
I read an interview a little while back where Mark Hamill compared what happened to Luke to a cleaned up drug addict who relapses and ended relapsing and ODed. So does that mean he didn't know he was going to die? I had assumed he sacrificed himself on purpose.
I read an interview a little while back where Mark Hamill compared what happened to Luke to a cleaned up drug addict who relapses and ended relapsing and ODed. So does that mean he didn't know he was going to die? I had assumed he sacrificed himself on purpose.
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Well given that one of the first things Kylo said when he saw the projection of Rey was "you can't be the doing this, the effort would kill you." it seems reasonably to presume that he learned of such things from Luke. Ergo, Luke probably did indeed know what he was doing was most likely going to be fatal. Or at the very least, he accepted it as a possibility and did it anyway (because there is no "try".)
Whether one thinks that constitutes a deliberate sacrifice is largely irrelevant to my way of thinking. I mean a person who dives onto a live grenade to save their buddies does so fully expecting to be turned into pink mist in the next few seconds, even though there is the slimmest of chance that the thing is a dud and won't go off. It doesn't change the heroism of the act one way or the other.
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He was projecting himself across a literal astronomical distance, that's got to take a hell of a lot of effort and energy. He also hadn't used The Force in years, so that probably left him a bit weaker than he would have been if he'd kept up with things.
Oh, I agree it was a hugely heroic act either way, I was just wondering if he went into it know it was fatal.
Since we haven't seen it done we have no idea what could kill you as far as Force powers go. How is not possible for the effort to kill someone?
Because according to Yoda, that's not how the force works. Size matters not. Yoda doesn't exert more effort than Luke to move the X-wing, he just taps further into the force. I like the idea of Luke having to put himself so far into the force, in order to project over that distance, that he can't get back out again. But the shaking with effort doesn't sit right with me.
I often wonder if Luke, Leia and Han were aware of Snokes involvement with Ben during his time at Luke's Jedi Academy or learned of it afterwards.
There is a difference between lifting an object and projecting your essence through the force.
Then why bother posting?
Is there really a difference though? Yoda said, paraphrasing I thinks, "only difference is in your mind". What's the difference between weight and distance? Seems arbitrary when you think about it.
***I love what happened with Luke in TLJ, but that is def a plot hole.
And yet we see Yoda strain after a battle with Dooku to move a pillar. What was the difference there?
You're taking that quote entirely out of context. Luke was complaining that lifting his X-Wing up out of the bog was totally different to moving rocks around. He wasn't talking about two entirely different things, he was talking about the same thing on a different scale.
Since we've never seen anyone project an image of themselves like that over even a short distance before, we don't have a good point of comparison to say whether the effort was greater or lesser. For all we know projecting an image of yourself like that into the next room is exactly as taxing on the body as doing so from lightyears away.
It's also worth remembering that most of Yoda's words were lesson's about attitude, not objective lectures on the complicated nature of physical force interaction. He was trying to get Luke to take down the mental roadblocks that were holding him back. As such one can take them too literally.
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