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Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion

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I spent a decade getting my graduate degree, having two kids and dealing with chronic illness. Movies are generally not a priority.
I wasn't judging. It's just one of those classics from the 90's, like pulp fiction.

Who am I to talk, I still haven't gotten to see the new Star Wars movie.
 
Nor I. But at least that's one I've heard of.

I saw Ralph Bakshi's Cool World. Once. I won't say that I wish I could un-see it, but I will say that it could be described as "Roger Rabbit on a really bad acid trip."
 
Maybe it's more like one of those near classic movies from the 90's, like Jackie Brown.
 
Nor I. But at least that's one I've heard of.

I saw Ralph Bakshi's Cool World. Once. I won't say that I wish I could un-see it, but I will say that it could be described as "Roger Rabbit on a really bad acid trip."

In other words, it’s the book version of ...Roger Rabbit.
 
No; I read the book (unlike Oz, I liked the movie better). Who Censored . . . was Roger Rabbit after a few mild joints, at most; Cool World was Roger Rabbit on a large dose of really nasty acid.

Full disclosure: I don't do recreational drugs, ever, not even legal ones, and I generally decline prescriptions for anything potentially mind-altering. I find the whole sensation of being high to be utterly revolting.

Now, I'm really sorry.
About what? Sorry you didn't see it? Alibris has the DVD for what looks like as little as $12. Sorry I did see it? Don't be; it's a bizarre movie, but I did not say that it was something I wished I could un-see. Wondering whether or not to see it? Well, to coin a tagline (and a suggestively named character), Holli Would.
 
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[Jose Jimenez]Oh, I hope not.[/Jose Jimenez]
In 2004, I gave up Mel Gibson movies for Lent. I never bothered to stop giving them up. Then again, the only Mel Gibson movie I'd ever seen was Chicken Run (which only had his voice). Wanna buy my copy of Chicken Run, cheap?
Wow, none at all? None of the first three Mad Maxes, none of the Lethal Weapons, not even Braveheart?
I wasn't judging. It's just one of those classics from the 90's, like pulp fiction.

Who am I to talk, I still haven't gotten to see the new Star Wars movie.
I haven't seen that one either, but I have seen quite a few of his other movies, well movies starring Mel Gibson, the only movie he directed I've seen is Braveheart.
Nor I. But at least that's one I've heard of.

I saw Ralph Bakshi's Cool World. Once. I won't say that I wish I could un-see it, but I will say that it could be described as "Roger Rabbit on a really bad acid trip."
Wow, that's a random name to drop. The only reason I have any awareness of Cool World is because my family's old VHS copy of STVI: The Undiscovered Country.
Ralph Bakshi did do make some strange movies. I've never seen it, but Wizards looks completely batshit insane.
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I have seen Fire & Ice, which I thought was actually pretty good.
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Uh, no. Other than Chicken Run, Mel Gibson movies were never to my taste. Other than ST and SW, my taste runs more towards Mel Brooks comedies, and old musicals (e.g., The Unsinkable Molly Brown, Singin' in the Rain, &c.) Oh, and of course, Edwards & Stone's 1776.

As to Bakshi, well, I said that I didn't wish I could un-see Cool World, but that's not the case with the hatchet-job he did on LotR. Xerographing hastily retouched (if retouched at all) frame-blowups of your reference footage onto cels is NOT rotoscoping! And besides, LotR was about more than just one battle between the good guys and the orcs after another. (And I'm told that Robert Crumb, the cartoonist who created Fritz the Cat, wasn't exactly thrilled with Bakshi's interpretation of his work.)
 
This deleted scene, above all the rest is fantastic:

  • Caretaker Village Sequence
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While most of the deleted scenes are of the usual disposable fare, this one in particular should have been left in. It would have greatly changed the tone of Luke and Rey and their highly important relationship in this film.

Fan edit it back in. It's got kind of a Return of the Jedi tribal vs the 'imperial war machine' flavor. She completely loses faith in the Skywalker legend in this scene and taking it out really did the interaction between the two some injustice because this scene lands better. This scene gives the movie more heart. It gives Ahch-to as a location more soul. It was a mistake to remove it.
 
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There was a M.A.S.H. episode on TV today and it had a Rose in it.

I thought I was starting to lose my mind.
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While most of the deleted scenes are of the usual disposable fare, this one in particular should have been left in. It would have greatly changed the tone of Luke and Rey and their highly important relationship in this film.
I agree.
For some reason, though, the anticlimax of the scene makes me think about the (pure BS) backstory many "Mongolian Barbecue"* chains circulate, about the Mongol Hordes thowing parties for conquered villages who capitulate without a fight.

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*The real reason it's called "Mongolian Barbecue" (despite being neither Mongolian nor barbecue) is that it's a much catchier name than "Taiwanese Teppanyaki."
 
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4. Weird physics: Dropping bombs in space,

There is Gravity on the bomber (you see Paige fall), the bombs are not just going to just stop falling because they hit space. It's simple physics.

According to the visual dictionary they're also magnetically launched.

Also TIE Bombers dropped bombs in ESB. Though that asteroid had some gravity.
 
There is Gravity on the bomber (you see Paige fall), the bombs are not just going to just stop falling because they hit space. It's simple physics.

According to the visual dictionary they're also magnetically launched.

Also TIE Bombers dropped bombs in ESB. Though that asteroid had some gravity.
It's funny how Empire does it and its ok. TLJ does it and its kind of weird :rolleyes:
 
There is Gravity on the bomber (you see Paige fall), the bombs are not just going to just stop falling because they hit space. It's simple physics.

According to the visual dictionary they're also magnetically launched.

Also TIE Bombers dropped bombs in ESB. Though that asteroid had some gravity.
Fine, but that scene still rubs me the wrong way for other reasons.
 
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