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Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion

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Tosk said:
Plus, "married or celibate" aren't the only options. :)
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Of course not, it was just the opposite of being married in my mind.
fireproof78 said:
Rather binary options there, my friend.

Personally, I did not care for Mara. People complain about Mary Sue Rey and yet Mara felt like a Mary Sue to me, especially with the whole "Emperor's Left Hand Woman" role and that she "must kill Luke Skywalker!" or else...

That said, she did get some decent character growth over time, but her relationship with Luke always felt off to me. In addition, it reminds me now of the complaints about TLJ, yet the EU did it first. Set Luke up to have a family finally, and then tear it all down at the hands of his nephew.

I don't mind Luke having a relationship-at all. I thought it was an oversight to have Leia be his sister rather than someone else that Luke could take under his wing and train right from the get go,

I know I'll get flak for not liking Mara Jade, and she grew as a character in an ok way. I just didn't appreciate how she became Luke's wife.
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That makes sense, not everybody is going to like every character.
 
LJones41 said:
What happened to the Resistance ground troops on Crait? You know, the ones who looked as if they had came straight from Hoth on "The Empire Strikes Back". I don't recall seeing engaged in actual combat against the First Order. I remember seeing one trooper inform another that the ground was made from salt. And a few minutes later, I don't recall seeing one trooper in front of the bunker. What happened to them? I don't recall seeing any of them aboard the Falcon at the end of the movie.
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Dead...obviously.

Also, Hoth and Crait are two different planets so really don't look like that.

Double also, trench warfare is pretty common, especially against siege works, so is TLJ also ripping off WW1?
 
LJones41 said:
I remember seeing one trooper inform another that the ground was made from salt.
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The Abridged Screenplay take on that guy is hilarious. After tasting the salt the next thing is he licks the back of a lizard. Then he eats some fungus growing on the wall and instantly dies.
 
I finally got around to seeing it yesterday. Rather remarkably, at an establishment that charges 1970s prices(!).

I liked it, generally. Maybe Murphy's Law was enforced a bit too aggressively, and it does irritate me that we never found out about who or what Snoke was.

It's a bit ironic that Leia is the only one of the three original principal characters to come out of the movie alive, while Carrie Fisher is the only one of the three original principal actors no longer with us.

But it doesn't bother me that Luke dies in the end. At least he died well, and (to mix franchises a bit), it actually was a good day to die.

Early in this thread, somebody said something about "Marvel-style winking humor"; would the bit with what at first looks like a landing spaceship, but turns out to be a robotic clothes iron (an apparent nod to Hardware Wars) be an example of that?
 
hbquikcomjamesl said:
It's a bit ironic that Leia is the only one of the three original principal characters to come out of the movie alive, while Carrie Fisher is the only one of the three original principal actors no longer with us.
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Maybe the original idea was for Leia to bookend the ‘saga’ films. She was the first ‘hero’ character we ever saw, and introduced us to this whole shebang...aaaaaaand she’d be the one to pass the torch, and see it all off.

And she still might. I’m not exactly jonesing for another digital resurrection (erk), but there’s other ways for characters to have presence. Even if it’s just replaying R2’s message again.

(And I know, I know...we technically saw R2 and Threepio first. But whilst they have a good argument for being the protagonists, they don’t really fit into the ‘hero’ role. I also wouldn’t be shocked if they do die in the next one.)
 
They've already said that they won't be recasting, or digitally recreating Leia.
 
hbquikcomjamesl said:
Early in this thread, somebody said something about "Marvel-style winking humor"; would the bit with what at first looks like a landing spaceship, but turns out to be a robotic clothes iron (an apparent nod to Hardware Wars) be an example of that?
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"Holding for General Hugs" would be an example of that. Marvel doesn't tend to go for visual puns.
 
Yeah, episode IX was supposed to be her movie, the same way TFA was Han's, and TLJ was Luke's.
I have to wonder just how much the story needed to be revamped once Carrie Fisher died.
 
They didn't change TLJ's story when Carrie died.


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With the change in directors, it's a given that the script would be done over, more or less from scratch anyway.
 
Why does Abrams always have to have control over the script when he takes a directing job? Can't he just, you know, direct someone else's script? Is that not a thing anymore?
 
I think Episode 9's script conflicted with Episode 8's. So it had to be rewritten anyway.
 
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