Spoilers Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Grading & Discussion
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I disagree with the majority of the world at this point that Luke was killed, but the point is made by both Leia and Rey at the end of the film that they have never felt an incredible sense of purpose. Luke has moved on to another plane of existence and has become more powerful than anyone could imagine (to paraphrase A New Hope). I fully believe that there is a story point to the ending of the film beyond what most people have considered.
I'd kind of rather they do a second trilogy with these characters forging ahead and standing on their own against new challenges, rather than living in the shadow of the previous generation or even stuck handing off the baton to anyone else just yet. Basically the kind of trilogy me might have gotten had Lucas decided to do the ST in the late 80's/early 90's.
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Not seen it as I say, but it’s already leading to me actually hoping it’s one of those times j j just ignores stuff. If it pans out the way it’s described, and from what you say, maybe he just invented a force transporter lol. Would make a change from breaking the heroes then killing them off. Shame George gave up after 3D phantom menace.
There usually is, and Hamil has hinted at coming back, so I would love to see how that all wraps up.
Exactly. Technically didn't keep Qui-Gon away either.
Most fans are human and fallible (add to that the fact that most people are no longer reading fiction, much less the myths and classics), so most fans take character deaths in a literal sense.
"See you around, kid!" doesn't sound to me like a final curtain call. I'm anticipating at least one encore.
"See you around, kid!" doesn't sound to me like a final curtain call. I'm anticipating at least one encore.
Very interesting. I'd like to hear more about the fans that aren't human, and infallible.
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Just hedging my bets that one fan might be infallible and inhuman. We've all see Galaxy Quest and that episode of Futurama.
It's Disney, not Lucas.
There's gonna be movies with this cast for as long as they make $1 billion+ at the box office.
I've seen it three times in the cinema and my opinion of it has improved a bit, even if Rian Johnson got a bit too cocky and its subplots pissed a lot of people off.
My dog loves Star Wars.
Do you think Han Solo will do a Billeeoonn? I'm gonna put out a prediction right nowIt's Disney, not Lucas.
There's gonna be movies with this cast for as long as they make $1 billion+ at the box office.
$787,000,000 worldwide.
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The difference here is that Rey is not purposely removing herself from relationships like Obi-Wan or Luke. She's the other side of the traditional fairy tale coin in being a heroine who also can find romance.
Its pointless as it comes off as a line inserted into the crawl of ROTS, yet is never seen in the actual film--not to any degree. Where are the "heroes" on the side represented by Sidious, Dooku, Greivous, or the Trade Federation? It did not exist, because Lucas did not intend for there to be shadings of gray (which would be the opposite of his reason for drawing clear ideas of good and evil in creating Star Wars in the post anti-hero / disillusioned films released in the ten years before Star Wars hit screens).
I did not discount TMP. I noted it was produced in the 20th century, with the rest of the PT in the 21st, as a matter of chronological accuracy. That does not alter what I posted days ago:
The PT is not some radical course change from how Lucas followed the traditional myth motifs, for the logical reason that in-universe, the PT had to naturally lead into the OT, with its very clear myth traditions from start to finish. The sequel trilogy is the one which clearly goes off track. Like the days of the Expanded Universe, if there are characters and/or stories that need to go in its own direction, then its best to create its own series independent of the Skywalker story.
"Throwing away" career and other duties for love is not only one of the longest lived plot devices in literature/cultural myths, but its real world counterpart predates that. You seem to be suggesting that her life was her career/duties--as if that is what she should value above all else. A life without love (the most natural of human desires) is not living at all, particularly if one consciously shunts it aside all for a career, or the alleged value of duties.
Tragic romance in fairy tales have players who make their own decisions; in SW, the will of the Force directs certain events, but all characters have free will to do--or not do--the things that point their lives in a certain direction. Padme being a player in a tragic romance does not remove her responsibility in all that happens, despite the Force being pushed out of balance, and attempting to correct that through the Skywalker children. Knowing Padme made her own decisions gives her plight some weight, as she was fighting to right all that went wrong until her last breath.
As I've observed not only on TrekBBS, but elsewhere, some create a universe of excuses why Finn and Rey should not be together...excuses that do not hold up to questioning, which usually leaves one time-honored sickness as the true reason for the never-ending resistance to the idea.
Now the Rey/Poe shippers are materializing. I guess it's important that Rey either has no romantic interest by the end the trilogy or that she either ships with Kylo Ren or Poe Dameron . . . anything other than her shipping with Finn. Because . . . hey, we can't have a young white woman having a romance with a black guy.
Yes--a homicidal dictator or a guy she barely knows...instead of the one character that naturally bonded with her not only as a friend, but--if you look at her expression as Finn is pulling the sheet on Rose / her message to Chewbacca which (despite no on-screen translation) would not be retreading a message of a friendship both she and Finn already know exists. Nope--that's all buried with one Poe scene and fantasies that Rey will "save" Ren in time for the two to become an item.
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