Star Wars: The Clone Wars S4
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I've appreciated seeing different styles of Force wielding. The galaxy is a big place and the Force is an energy field created by ALL living things. It only makes sense to me that there can be more than one way to manipulate it.
Except for the green mist the Witches didn't do anything that hasn't been hinted at by Jedi or Sith. Darth Plagues supposedly had the ability to prevent death. Reanimating the dead is quite close to that. The head witch had to use a voodoo doll to affect Dooku, but Vader could force-choke someone simply by looking at them on the screen. Yoda mentioned that size didn't matter, thus implying the Force is controlled by someone's mental perceptions and not by their physical limitations. Some people just need a crutch to manipulate the Force.
Except for the green mist the Witches didn't do anything that hasn't been hinted at by Jedi or Sith. Darth Plagues supposedly had the ability to prevent death. Reanimating the dead is quite close to that. The head witch had to use a voodoo doll to affect Dooku, but Vader could force-choke someone simply by looking at them on the screen. Yoda mentioned that size didn't matter, thus implying the Force is controlled by someone's mental perceptions and not by their physical limitations. Some people just need a crutch to manipulate the Force.
My biggest problem with the CW show is that in order to keep a plot going, suddenly Jedi seem to forget they can use the force.
I have seen countless times where Anakin seems to be chasing someone, and they escape. Why didnt he trip them with the force? Pull them back to him? Push them over? Heck, Obi Wan crushed 2 battle droids with one hand gesture.
It gets tiresome to see Jedi lose so much just to keep a villain from being "done".
I have seen countless times where Anakin seems to be chasing someone, and they escape. Why didnt he trip them with the force? Pull them back to him? Push them over? Heck, Obi Wan crushed 2 battle droids with one hand gesture.
It gets tiresome to see Jedi lose so much just to keep a villain from being "done".
I really liked "Massacre" . First time a while that Clone Wars felt epic. Music, story, animation, all of it really clicked. It's bad that they made the Nightsisters into more interesting a villain than the Sith.
Anyone else that the Nightsisters in the Clone Wars are more like the Sith Alchemist and the like from the old Tales Of The Jedi comics?
Anyone else that the Nightsisters in the Clone Wars are more like the Sith Alchemist and the like from the old Tales Of The Jedi comics?
On the other hand, it shouldn't be an easy, magical cure-all, or there's no challenge for the characters and no suspense to engage the viewers. It should have limits, such as needing concentration or the right frame of mind. If the Jedi are too busy concentrating on running or deflecting blaster bolts or whatever, or if their emotions are too turbulent, they may not be able to focus their energies enough to use Force telekinesis in a substantial way.
I won't defend witch stereotypes and zombies, but in a vast universe, how could the Jedi and Sith be the only types of force users?
In terms of the episode, why didn't Grievous just nuke them from orbit? I suppose since battle droids are expendable and Grievous likes to kill things, he did it his way (or Dooku's way...though, why didn't Dooku go himself, it's his vendetta?)
We are back to bounty hunters next week. How many EU fans will be pissed that...
In terms of the episode, why didn't Grievous just nuke them from orbit? I suppose since battle droids are expendable and Grievous likes to kill things, he did it his way (or Dooku's way...though, why didn't Dooku go himself, it's his vendetta?)
We are back to bounty hunters next week. How many EU fans will be pissed that...
Dengar is shown as an adult. I'm not, IIRC his EU backstory was some stupid crap tied into Han Solo and a bike race.
Why didn't Dooku go? Cause he didn't want to put his neck on the line. For all his bluster, I think Dooku is more of a "gentleman" or "upper class" sort of a villain. Why get his hands dirty dealing with common primitive witches. He has a comtempt for those he feels is beneath him. He believes he's better than them. Doesn't mean he's going to risk taking a blaster-shot through the chest to settle his scores when droid will do just fine.
Though I think the head Nightsister, Talsien (sp) scared him.
Was I the only that felt bad for the Witches? I know they're (supposed to be) evil and all that, but this episode made me feel sorry for them.
As for why not nuke 'em from orbit: Cause Grievous enjoys his work.
I don't recall there's ever been an on-screen depiction in the Star Wars universe of anything resembling "nuking from orbit".
I know in the thrawn books there was orbital bombardment from star destroyers but even that without multipe shots didn't seem to resember and orbital nuking.
^Besides the Death Star you mean? 
Were they evil though? I mean they certainly weren't Jedi, but they're not the same as Sith either. It occurs to me they're somewhere in the middle. Perhaps some force users simply don't distinguish between the dark side and light side?
I know I haven't read an EU novel since 'Planet of Twilight' *shudders* but I seem to recall Dathomiri witches being known for taming and riding rancors...wouldn't that have been better than a bunch of corpses? From a dramtic standpoint at least.
Also, did my eyes deceive me or did the head witch do that thing Obi Wan did in ANH and physically pass into the netherworld? I'm assuming she's dead now, yes?
Were they evil though? I mean they certainly weren't Jedi, but they're not the same as Sith either. It occurs to me they're somewhere in the middle. Perhaps some force users simply don't distinguish between the dark side and light side?
I know I haven't read an EU novel since 'Planet of Twilight' *shudders* but I seem to recall Dathomiri witches being known for taming and riding rancors...wouldn't that have been better than a bunch of corpses? From a dramtic standpoint at least.
Also, did my eyes deceive me or did the head witch do that thing Obi Wan did in ANH and physically pass into the netherworld? I'm assuming she's dead now, yes?
I could be wrong, but it looked to me like Mother Talzin just transformed into green mist and escaped. I don't think she was completely incorporeal, like Obi-Wan was. I wouldn't be surprised if she could re-solidify at will. Plus, I have to wonder whether becoming green mist was an ability she always had, and moreover what her "true form" is, given the creepy echoes that always occur whenever she speaks. Does she really exist just as green mist? But, this is all supposition on my part.
Even though it's been years, the above shows that you remember far more important facts about Dathomir than the clowns responsible for TCW. Thus we can see that an average fan would do a better job at maintaining continuity.
Marc said:
Not in the films, but we do have related things like Han's comment in ANH about the amount of firepower necessary to destroy a planet with ships, and the implication of the Hoth energy shield.
P0sitr0nic said:
Me too. For example, Cad Bane shouldn't be able to escape from two Jedi. Then there's the Jedi killed by Savage in Monster. He doesn't have Force skills at this point, and instead of using the Force on him, they run up and attack with punches and kicks, even though he's swinging a giant LOTR-style weapon. The clones are no better. Instead of keeping their distance and shooting Savage from out of the range of his weapon, they too run right up to him. These tactics make no sense and only happen in order to facilitate a predetermined outcome. I'm all for practical limitations on Force use, but the point is that too many Jedi characters don't even try.
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Took me literally on the "nuke" part.
Yes, the Imperial assault on Hoth was bungled because Admiral Ozzel came out of hyperspace too close to the planet, the Rebel's put up their ray(?) shields, make orbitable bombardment useless. (Any other intepretation means all the shield did was make it inconvenient for the imperials to land troops...come to think of it, why didn't the rebels intercept and destroy the imperial landing ships? Presumably they had a heavy escort.)
Yes, Grievous enjoys his work (I said that), but he said he's in the war to kill Jedi, we can suppose he enjoys killing anyone anyone based past experiences. The real reason is so we got a Grievous vs. Ventress fight scene. (Really, she would've handed him his chicken-shitted ass if it weren't for his droids.)
Yes, the Imperial assault on Hoth was bungled because Admiral Ozzel came out of hyperspace too close to the planet, the Rebel's put up their ray(?) shields, make orbitable bombardment useless. (Any other intepretation means all the shield did was make it inconvenient for the imperials to land troops...come to think of it, why didn't the rebels intercept and destroy the imperial landing ships? Presumably they had a heavy escort.)
Yes, Grievous enjoys his work (I said that), but he said he's in the war to kill Jedi, we can suppose he enjoys killing anyone anyone based past experiences. The real reason is so we got a Grievous vs. Ventress fight scene. (Really, she would've handed him his chicken-shitted ass if it weren't for his droids.)
Agreed. I would prefer to think the Nightsisters just use and access the Force differently.
I loved it. The Nightsister zombies were awesome.
It may have been pulp, but I was so in the mood for this kind of CW outing and it delivered everything I wanted. I watched it twice, the only time I've ever done that after Clone Wars.
When the zombies were hatching I was thinking about how awesome it looked and not for a moment did I stop to think about the feasibility of zombies in the Star Wars universe.
It may have been pulp, but I was so in the mood for this kind of CW outing and it delivered everything I wanted. I watched it twice, the only time I've ever done that after Clone Wars.
When the zombies were hatching I was thinking about how awesome it looked and not for a moment did I stop to think about the feasibility of zombies in the Star Wars universe.
Well they had Genonosian "zombies" and I think the comics and games have had Sith zombies/undead for years.
Usually I don't like zombies stories, but this one was actually good. The feral, brutal, nature of the zombies was different and really sold the whole "Dark Magic" angle
never quite worked this one out.
Maybe the imperials thought if they jumped in outside the system they could do a sneak attack but that would be assumiung the rebels hadn't place sensors to warn them.
As to not attacking the assault ships maybe they didn't have the capabilities - they only had a few fighters (hence only two escorts per transport) and the snow speeders seem to be suited to fairly low alltitude work.
Plus there was a fleet backing up the Imperial transports. It's not to far a leap of logic to figure if the Rebels started making attack runs on the transports the stardestroyers would be able to pick off some if not all of the attacking fighters. Plus I'd wager the Empire had fighter screens for the transports as they went down.
Indeed... Jedi crush 2 battle droids with one hand flick in one ep, but let Cad Bane just run away. Battle droids can be replaced, but Bane is a toy figure, so removing him is a no no. And there in is the bottom of it. Villains sell as toys, and they cant keep replacing em, even if it makes the heros look like fools.
Yep, that would be me .....
I was thinking that, although since Boba Fett is in the next episode and he was in prison during the previous story arc, it would suggest that the last 4 episodes take place later.
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