Star Wars Rebels Season Two (spoilers)
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Yeah, Rebels is DisneyXD only.
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I found this enjoyable, though you would as well.
If Spielberg was running the show while Abrams executive-produced sequels of his earlier works.
Clone Wars clearly referenced Wrath of Khan at one point, so there's no reason why Rebels couldn't reference Firefly.
I didn't watch all of CW, where did that happen?
Referencing is one thing, paying homage is something else. There's a subtle difference.
When?
Last nights episode was great. I like seeing some of the EU designs coming back.
"Homecoming" was a good episode. Good action, it accomplished something plot-wise, great to see Cham back, and Hera is my favorite character so I love any episode starring her.
I've been reading a book about the WWII Liberation of Paris, and I realize now that Cham is General Charles De Gaulle. He led the Free French forces in the war, living with the Allies in exile. But he was an arrogant SOB who only cared about getting back in France to take charge. He actively sabotaged the Allied war effort in order to force them to move on Paris because he was afraid if the communists took it over he would never get to take charge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle
I've been reading a book about the WWII Liberation of Paris, and I realize now that Cham is General Charles De Gaulle. He led the Free French forces in the war, living with the Allies in exile. But he was an arrogant SOB who only cared about getting back in France to take charge. He actively sabotaged the Allied war effort in order to force them to move on Paris because he was afraid if the communists took it over he would never get to take charge.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle
Accents aside, Cham is in no way De Gaulle. De Gaulle was a political opportunist, not a freedom fighter. As you said, he essentially sat out the war while his countrymen did the actual fighting, his interest was more towards personal power than what was best for France, as his actions after the war demonstrated.
Cham is still at the forefront on an insurgency after *decades* of fighting and is constantly on the ground. The only line of similarity is a provincial attitude but the motivations are entirely divergent.
I don't know of any notable figures that exactly match what they're going for, since the more appropriate WWII analogy would be a partisan forces/resistance leader in eastern Europe who fought alongside the Soviets to drive the Nazis only to have them refuse to leave when the Iron Curtain dropped. I suppose if you *had* to compare him to a famous real world revolutionary, Che Guevara is probably the go-to.
Of course if Cham survived to take office after the Empire fell, he could certainly turn into a Castro, a Cromwell or even a Stalin type figure.
Anyway, my personal favourite moment of this episode was when Hera got so upset she slipped back into her native accent. This is a very clever way of accounting for why she normally doesn't have the the French/Ryloth accent of other Twi while simultaneously help illustrate that we've never seen her this upset and impassioned. Clearly her father can get under her skin more than anyone else. It was actually an interesting relationship dynamic because they could easily have gone the route of her outright resenting him, but instead they paint a picture of her all but idolising him but feeling as though he doesn't value or respect her.
That scene also have us a little of Chopper's backstory: she found him on Ryloth during the Clone Wars. Was he the property of a Jedi? The Republic forces or a separatist droid? In a way I think the latter may the the most interesting possibility.
Cham is still at the forefront on an insurgency after *decades* of fighting and is constantly on the ground. The only line of similarity is a provincial attitude but the motivations are entirely divergent.
I don't know of any notable figures that exactly match what they're going for, since the more appropriate WWII analogy would be a partisan forces/resistance leader in eastern Europe who fought alongside the Soviets to drive the Nazis only to have them refuse to leave when the Iron Curtain dropped. I suppose if you *had* to compare him to a famous real world revolutionary, Che Guevara is probably the go-to.
Of course if Cham survived to take office after the Empire fell, he could certainly turn into a Castro, a Cromwell or even a Stalin type figure.
Anyway, my personal favourite moment of this episode was when Hera got so upset she slipped back into her native accent. This is a very clever way of accounting for why she normally doesn't have the the French/Ryloth accent of other Twi while simultaneously help illustrate that we've never seen her this upset and impassioned. Clearly her father can get under her skin more than anyone else. It was actually an interesting relationship dynamic because they could easily have gone the route of her outright resenting him, but instead they paint a picture of her all but idolising him but feeling as though he doesn't value or respect her.
That scene also have us a little of Chopper's backstory: she found him on Ryloth during the Clone Wars. Was he the property of a Jedi? The Republic forces or a separatist droid? In a way I think the latter may the the most interesting possibility.
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Well I've always thought of it as "the clone wars" plural because they took place on hundreds, if not thousands of planets and it's "the clone war" singular when referencing one ongoing conflict in particular (Ryloth in this case.)
I suppose you could get into the semantics of what consistences a war as opposed to a prolonged battle, skirmish, siege, annexation, liberation, coup, insurgency, counter-insurgency, campaign or theatre of operation, but it's probably not worth over-thinking. Doubly so when you're talking about the usage of a term in general conversation.
Indeed, some real world historical conflicts have similar issues and what it usually amounts to is what a certain group of historians have agreed to call it. For example: the Hundred Years' War was not as the name suggests one continuous war that lasted exactly one century, but actually a series of conflicts over the course of 116 years, interspersed with several periods of "peace" lasting a decade or more.
I always thought of The Clone War/s as all one big conflict. The fighting on the different planets would have been equivalent to fighting in different countries in WWI or WWII, it was all one individual conflict that just took that just took place across a very, very large area.
As I said when you get down to it, it's just semantics.
Nevertheless the one scene it was mention in ANH (and nowhere else I might add) it was consistently wars, plural.
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It may be an unintentional inconsistency by occasionally referring to the Clone War singular in Rebels, but in the case of this latest episode it would actually make sense for Cham to call it that, since the conflict on Ryloth is the *only* one that's ever concerned him. To him, the clone war on his planet was THE clone war.
This is only a guess, but maybe it's the fact that Lotho Minor's surface seems to be modeled on Ceti Alpha V?
