Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x10 - "New Life and New Civilizations"

[SG-17]

Yeah, the Vezda needed more than two episodes.

But anything too big wouldn't have worked since its a prequel.

If anything they should've just SNW to setup the Vezda and then revisit them in a later series set in an unburdened time... like if Legacy ever got made, especially with that Q stinger at the end of Picard.

 

[Noname Given]

Ever since the JJ-verse allowed the "Alternate Timeline" to be canon, why are you so against it?

Heck even Lower Decks admits to the existence of Parallel Timelines / Worlds.

the 'alternate timeline' aspect has been a part of Star Trek since The Naked Now, Tomorrow Is Yesterday, City On The Edge of Forever, Assignment Earth, et. al and Alternate Realities since Mirror, Mirror.

That isn't the problem here. The issue here is younger fans who haven't really seen all of Star Trek somehow believing its continuity and canon have been consistent and somehow unchanging from the start.

It was this way in the original series era.

It was EXACTLY the same in the Berman/Braga 24th Century era.
(and NO it wasn't 'better' or 'more cohesive' or 'paid better attention too' it was the same "Hey, if we need a change for the story we're telling today, we do the change." like it has ALWAYS been for Star Trek.)

And it's the same today for the Kurtzman/Streaming Trek era,

It's ALL the same constantly re-arranged/patchworked timeline its ALWAZYS been from day one through today in 2025.

Say it with me:

YATI - Yet Another Trek Inconsistency
^^^
Been around since the start of Trek fandom in the 60s. Trek fans don't just start claiming 'alternate timeline/alternate Trek dimension' (and JJ's Kelvin Universe is the latter, not the former) - they rationale the hell out 0of everything to make it fit, even when it clearly doesn't. It's what we're done since September 8, 1966 and has a 59 year history of its own.

So yeah, it's ALL the same timeline/universe except for the separate Mirror Universe and the JJ Abrams Kelvin Universe. And it always will be, even when the next group of Star Trek Producers hit the scene.

 

[MrShinzoff]

This was abysmal right up to the Pike - Batel Inner Light sequence, which was really well done. SNW is a far more compelling show when Pike is the focus.

 

[Char Kais]

Strange New Worlds Turns Star Trek Into Doctor Who, Destroys Entire Franchise For Its Season 3 Finale

When Gene Roddenberry created Star Trek, his goal was to depict a bright and hopeful future in which humans had learned to use science, reason, and common sense to work together and explore the universe. In its season three finale, Star Trek: Strange New Worlds managed to undo all that and has...

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So the Strange New Worlds’s overstuffed cast of characters goes to work on the feelings they’ve all had about the developing situation. They then do whatever those feelings lead them to do, and the audience is supposed to accept this as a plot.

It culminates in an emotionally manipulative side-tangent in which we watch Captain Pike live out a life with Captain Patel, for no reason other than that it’s what Captain Patel feels she wants before becoming a statue. Why does she have to become a statue? No one knows, but she feels it.

The "USS Discovery" was the "USS Trauma".
The SNW Enterprise is the "USS Feelings".

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The show’s strong desire to associate itself with Doctor Who, a sci-fi property so thoroughly ruined and discredited that the one show it has left on the air is probably being canceled, explains a lot about what Strange New Worlds has become.

The reason Doctor Who is now a dead franchise is its decision to switch to a model of crass emotional manipulation and wish-fulfillment over reasonable, interesting science fiction ideas. That’s what Strange New Worlds is doing too.

 

[AntonyF]

I enjoyed Masks, but it's not very popular. Who knew a remake of that was on the cards!

Masaka has awoken.

This episode had bits of promise, but I still think it doesn't entirely land.

I don't buy into Pike's relationship deeply enough to care, as I don't feel they established it enough. Marie is about, but I don't feel their relationship enough for it to really have weight.

Similarly this random scene of their potential future... it felt like a desperate attempt to inject meaning and heart to it all but it felt forced and not relating to the story at all. You either need to go all in on that sort of story element or not at all.. a few mins doesn't really cut it.

I'm not a huge fan of the gods and superpowers stuff. I know we saw it a bit in DS9 for example with The Reckoning, but for me it's more Buffy or Stargate. It doesn't sit entirely right for me in Trek. Just a personal preference.

But it had potential. I like the mystery, the ancient races, the artefacts etc. But again... it's not built up. They had the earlier episode, then they wrap it all up quickly and with little fuss in the finale.

They could have done so much more in both building up the relationship of Pike and Marie, hinting at stuff being up with her and setting up the big bad.

But it's all rushed. A load of exposition and Marie just going "Yeah I'm ready to go kill some evil and die now" was just a blah of dialogue.

They instead waste time on things like this daft dual phaser mind meld nonsense. Oh the computer can't do it, we have go waste time on this. And it serves zero purpose. It just slows the story down. Just say "We'll have two ships fire at once", save five minutes of crap, and devote it to what matters. This is where a good script editor would take a pen and cut this stuff out.

And also they spend so much time with characters I still feel are largely timewasters. I still dislike Pelia. I still think Chapel is used way too much (even the opening scene she's not discrete, it's "Oh I have a call with my boyfriend everyone!"), Kirk's brother... this is time that could be spent on fleshing out the core characters. I need more Number One, give me more Number One. M'Benga came out of hibernation and got very little to do, give him more.

It wasn't a terrible episode. It showed some potential... but the show is too unfocused to really deliver the storytelling they tried here.

 

[fireproof78]

Ever since the JJ-verse allowed the "Alternate Timeline" to be canon, why are you so against it?

Heck even Lower Decks admits to the existence of Parallel Timelines / Worlds.

Because it gets ridiculous fast

 

[AntonyF]

The "USS Discovery" was the "USS Trauma".
The SNW Enterprise is the "USS Feelings".

That's amazing. I also did think the daughter gave the most awkward hug I'd ever seen.

 

[fireproof78]

The "USS Discovery" was the "USS Trauma".
The SNW Enterprise is the "USS Feelings".

Good.

People need to stop shaming feelings.

Such high levels of bullshit. The robotic life is not healthy for humans.

 

[Yistaan]

This season was worse than Star Wars Acolyte which was canceled over less. At least Acolyte left you wondering what would happen next and where things were going to go, despite also being a prequel. With SNW Season 3, the only hanging thread is how Spock breaks up with La'an, otherwise it's just treading water until TOS.

 

[fireproof78]

This season was worse than Star Wars Acolyte which was canceled over less. At least Acolyte left you wondering what would happen next and where things were going to go, despite also being a prequel. With SNW Season 3, the only hanging thread is how Spock breaks up with La'an, otherwise it's just treading water until TOS.

Perhaps this show will be cancelled too.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It was this way in the original series era.

It was EXACTLY the same in the Berman/Braga 24th Century era.
(and NO it wasn't 'better' or 'more cohesive' or 'paid better attention too' it was the same "Hey, if we need a change for the story we're telling today, we do the change." like it has ALWAYS been for Star Trek.)

And it's the same today for the Kurtzman/Streaming Trek era,

It's ALL the same constantly re-arranged/patchworked timeline its ALWAZYS been from day one through today in 2025.

Say it with me:

YATI - Yet Another Trek Inconsistency
^^^
Been around since the start of Trek fandom in the 60s. Trek fans don't just start claiming 'alternate timeline/alternate Trek dimension' (and JJ's Kelvin Universe is the latter, not the former) - they rationale the hell out 0of everything to make it fit, even when it clearly doesn't. It's what we're done since September 8, 1966 and has a 59 year history of its own.

So yeah, it's ALL the same timeline/universe except for the separate Mirror Universe and the JJ Abrams Kelvin Universe. And it always will be, even when the next group of Star Trek Producers hit the scene.

Okay, you really think that's a better solution then seperate Time-Lines / Continuities?
Wouldn't you rather have Trek be internally consistent with itself to some degree?
Or is Trek Inconsistency your prefered solution?

Because it gets ridiculous fast

How so? Other media properties like Gundam have Alternate Universes all the time.

It's baked into it's cored design principle of making new shows.
This way you don't have to worry about continuity issues since you won't have to worry about what came before.

New Show, New AU (Alternate Universe), unless it's part of the original UC TimeLine.

That's the only exception.

 

[Charles Phipps]

There's a certain level of irony to the bio-essentialist argument for this episode because she's Illyrian/Gorn/Human not by birth but by genetic engineering. So destiny is absolutely alterable. It's probably why I didn't have much of an issue with Four and A Half Vulcans because they're Vulcans only because of genetic engineering (cultural appropriation?)

I bring this up because I am only alive because of modern medicine that certainly changed my biological destiny.

 

[AntonyF]

Good.

People need to stop shaming feelings.

Such high levels of bullshit. The robotic life is not healthy for humans.

Star Trek has had plenty of emotion. But they are military vessels, and drawing conclusions that the new shows are a bit more overwrought/touchy feely is not shaming feelings.

 

[DarthTimon]

That little doctor reference was cute, it did bring a smile to my face, but the episode to me was overall... alright, without being an especially great finale.

 

[fireproof78]

How so?

Because it's an arbitrary line.

What continuity issues create a new timeline? James R Kirk? TOS is in the 28th century? Eugenic Wars moving dates? Vulcan conquered or not? First ship with warp?

 

[Danja]

The SNW Enterprise is the "USS Feelings".

I'm wondering if this is one reason why P+ tried to cancel it after S4 (they didn't like the direction the show was headed).

 

[fireproof78]

Star Trek has had plenty of emotion. But they are military vessels, and drawing conclusions that the new shows are a bit more overwrought/touchy feely is not shaming feelings.

Experience has taught me otherwise.

 

[Yistaan]

Okay, you really think that's a better solution then seperate Time-Lines / Continuities?
Wouldn't you rather have Trek be internally consistent with itself to some degree?
Or is Trek Inconsistency your prefered solution?


How so? Other media properties like Gundam have Alternate Universes all the time.

It's baked into it's cored design principle of making new shows.
This way you don't have to worry about continuity issues since you won't have to worry about what came before.

New Show, New AU (Alternate Universe), unless it's part of the original UC TimeLine.

That's the only exception.

Akiva Goldsman basically said at Trekmovie that they're heading towards a massive galaxy wide mindwipe of the Gorn: https://trekmovie.com/2025/09/10/ex...lain-how-they-just-rewrote-star-trek-history/

This means that everyone's somehow going to forget the Gorn. Considering how defining the Gorn have been to SNW character lives, this may even extend to Pike forgetting much of his relationship with Batel (since she literally became a Gorn hybrid), Spock forgetting much of his relationship with La'an as her life was defined by the Gorn turning them into just friends, and Spock forgetting he mind melded with Kirk as that was literally done to corral phaser power to help a Gorn hybrid open a door.

 

[Tuskin38]

and "A Quality Of Mercy" were the flops.

Since when?

 

[Danja]

The robotic life is not healthy for humans.

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Akiva Goldsman basically said at Trekmovie that they're heading towards a massive galaxy wide mindwipe of the Gorn: https://trekmovie.com/2025/09/10/ex...lain-how-they-just-rewrote-star-trek-history/

This means that everyone's somehow going to forget the Gorn. Considering how defining the Gorn have been to SNW character lives, this may even extend to Pike forgetting much of his relationship with Batel (since she literally became a Gorn hybrid), Spock forgetting much of his relationship with La'an as her life was defined by the Gorn turning them into just friends, and Spock forgetting he mind melded with Kirk as that was literally done to corral phaser power to help a Gorn hybrid open a door.

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