Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x08 - "Four-And-A-Half Vulcans"

[Jax]

So just watched this episode and Jesus Christ that was painful. What the hell have the writers been smoking this season.

* Being turned into a Vulcan wouldn't give you either logic or control over emotions. That is a learnt state and Vulcans have emotions as a matter of biology.

* Why would Pike's hair or any of there hair change like that?

* Vulcans are pretty xenophobic and racist arseholes but it was way over played.

* All the actors were doing charactercures of Vulcans because they do not speak that god dam slow. It was like watching a group of TOS Shatner impersonations.

* As if Starfleet wouldn't have just ordered there reversion because they were turned into Vulcans, they are not Vulcans. Never mind leave Pike in command of a god dam Starship during this.

* La'An does not have augmented abilities otherwise she would be banned from Starfleet. The making her a Romulan thing doesn't make any sense but her not being able to control emotions does since again Logic is not a genetic trait.

* The dance bit at the end with Spock was the most cringey AF moment in all of Star Trek. Seriously these writers need firing!

* Why does no one follow any sort of procedure - She's trying to start a war - Call security would be a start.

The writers clearly no very little about Vulcans.

The only good bit of the episode was Doug

 

[Nerys Myk]

* Being turned into a Vulcan wouldn't give you either logic or control over emotions. That is a learnt state and Vulcans have emotions as a matter of biology.

And turning Spock fully human shouldn't make him loose all his emotional control and devotion to logic, yet the Kervorkian procedure did.

* Why would Pike's hair or any of there hair change like that?

Because it's fun. The Kervokians move in mysterious ways. Spock's hair changed in Charades too.

* Vulcans are pretty xenophobic and racist arseholes but it was way over played.

Pretty sure that was the point. Each of the "Vulcans" were exaggerations of some negative Vulcan traits.

* All the actors were doing charactercures of Vulcans because they do not speak that god dam slow. It was like watching a group of TOS Shatner impersonations.

Again, that was the point,

* As if Starfleet wouldn't have just ordered there reversion because they were turned into Vulcans, they are not Vulcans. Never mind leave Pike in command of a god dam Starship during this.

Starfleet interferes when the plot demands it.

* La'An does not have augmented abilities otherwise she would be banned from Starfleet. The making her a Romulan thing doesn't make any sense but her not being able to control emotions does since again Logic is not a genetic trait.

I don't think we were supposed to take the Romulan thing as fact. It was just "logical" for La'An and Pike to assume it. Vulcans can be very ruthless when they want to. Especially when coupled with their sense of superiority,

* The dance bit at the end with Spock was the most cringey AF moment in all of Star Trek. Seriously these writers need firing!

It was quite lovely.

The writers clearly no very little about Vulcans.

I'd say they do, They nailed every Vulcan "stereotype." and went to 11.

The only good bit of the episode was Doug

Doug was fun, as atypical Vulcans tend to be.

 

[fireproof78]

The writers clearly no very little about Vulcans.

Yes.

Clearly they need to be more egotistical, supremacist and jerks.

 

[The Salt Umpire]

And turning Spock fully human shouldn't make him loose all his emotional control and devotion to logic, yet the Kervorkian procedure did.

Because it's fun. The Kervokians move in mysterious ways. Spock's hair changed in Charades too.

Pretty sure that was the point. Each of the "Vulcans" were exaggerations of some negative Vulcan traits.

Again, that was the point,

Starfleet interferes when the plot demands it.

I don't think we were supposed to take the Romulan thing as fact. It was just "logical" for La'An and Pike to assume it. Vulcans can be very ruthless when they want to. Especially when coupled with their sense of superiority,

It was quite lovely.

I'd say they do, They nailed every Vulcan "stereotype." and went to 11.

Doug was fun, as atypical Vulcans tend to be.

Doug saved the episode, but the stuff with Una was silly. But hey, Patton got to kiss Rebecca R.

 

[Tuskin38]

Being turned into a Vulcan wouldn't give you either logic or control over emotions. That is a learnt state and Vulcans have emotions as a matter of biology.

This was explained in the episode, rather poorly and briefly, but Una talks about it in her log right after the opening credits.

Basically It had nothing to do with the genetics of being Vulcan, but because the serum was magical energy being space magic created from Spock’s personal experiences.

 

[scotthm]

So just watched this episode and Jesus Christ that was painful. What the hell have the writers been smoking this season.

I just watched it for the first time, and it was much worse than I was expecting. it wasn't just bad, it was painful. In fact, it shocked my at how much more unpleasant it was than watching Wedding Bell Blues, which was a terrible episode.
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[saddestmoon]

Just watched this episode and enjoyed it a lot!



Ps: I just recalled the above-down stunning shot of the Enterprise in orbit above the ringed planet, increasing in size as the camper moves in closer to the starship! Gorgeous!

 

[Reanok]

This episode was a really funny I liked the Humor and Poor Una and the rest of the crew got fed up with them being arrogant and rude and trying to act more Vulcan than Vulcans .I loved Marie telling off Pike and the Stuffy Vulcan admiral Good for her. they deserved it.It was one of my favorite shows from season 3 so far.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I finally managed to get this clip to post on YT after editing it to under 5 minutes. I'm hoping to get the D'oug scenes up too.

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[hbquikcomjamesl]

Ratings are a reverse bell-curve again. Just like "Wedding Bell Blues." And once again, "Rule of Funny" is in full effect.

I gave it an 8.

Seemed like La'an turned out more Romulan than Vulcan.

I really liked the stinger on this one. Except for Spock grinning at the end. We've been seeing entirely too much "Cage Spock," and not enough of the backstory of how "Cage Spock" evolves into "TOS Spock."

Liked the scene with Chapel making plomeek soup, and it turning out badly (was that in the final cut or the deleted scenes?). Nice backstory for the plomeek soup scene in "Amok Time."

 

[Nerys Myk]

Seemed like La'an turned out more Romulan than Vulcan

I think each of the four "Vulcans" represented a Vulcan stereotype. La'An's is the no nonsense efficient type coupled with La'An's own area of expertise.

I really liked the stinger on this one. Except for Spock grinning at the end. We've been seeing entirely too much "Cage Spock," and not enough of the backstory of how "Cage Spock" evolves into "TOS Spock."

Spock's transformation happens in the early part of TOS, not between the Cage and TOS.

 

[Noname Given]

...Seemed like La'an turned out more Romulan than Vulcan...

Well, (Per Enterprise), they ARE actually the same species. Romulans are a group of Vulcans who left the planet after the last great Vulcan war around the time Surak was embracing and spreading his Logic philosophy on Vulcan about 1900 years or so prior to this episode.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

"Per ENT"?!? Try "Per TOS." Established in "Balance of Terror" and "The Enterprise Incident."

And fleshed out in DD's "Rihannsu" novels, and later in Sherman & Shwartz's "Vulcan's Soul" trilogy.

My point was that La'an turned out culturally more Romulan than Vulcan.

 

[fireproof78]

Duty bound to control.

 

[Noname Given]

"Per ENT"?!? Try "Per TOS." Established in "Balance of Terror" and "The Enterprise Incident."

And fleshed out in DD's "Rihannsu" novels, and later in Sherman & Shwartz's "Vulcan's Soul" trilogy.

My point was that La'an turned out culturally more Romulan than Vulcan.

Not really. By your logic 90% of the aliens shown in TOS must have come from Earth itself.

In BoT Spock posited that Romulans evolved similarly to Vulcans - not that they once came from Vulcan.

In Ent. Incident the Romulan Commander made similar statements.

Yes, many a Novel stated this outright, but Novels aren't canon.

Even in TNG's Unification - the Romulans called the Vulcans their 'Cousins'.

So yeah it wasn't until ENT S4 that it was confirmed on screen.

 

[Mudd]

TNG showed at least one "Vulcanoid" race that was supposed to be an independent evolution, in "Who Watches The Watchers?"

 

[Detached Nacelle]

TNG showed at least one "Vulcanoid" race that was supposed to be an independent evolution, in "Who Watches The Watchers?"

It does make sense humans wouldn't be the only ones to be part of a common template. Vulcanoids like Mintaakans. Those orange Andorianoid looking aliens in Lower Decks. Dopterans are Ferenginoid. Efrosians look a little bit Klingonoid.

 

[fireproof78]

And Sargon's people have an allusion as possibly being originators of Vulcans:

SARGON: Because it is possible you are our descendants, Captain Kirk. Six thousand centuries ago, our vessels were colonising this galaxy, just as your own starships have now begun to explore that vastness. As you now leave your own seed on distant planets, so we left our seed behind us. Perhaps your own legends of an Adam and an Eve were two of our travellers.
MULHALL: Our beliefs and our studies indicate that life on our planet, Earth, evolved independently.
SPOCK: That would tend, however, to explain certain elements of Vulcan prehistory.

 

[hbquikcomjamesl]

In BoT Spock posited that Romulans evolved similarly to Vulcans - not that they once came from Vulcan.

Uh, I think it's pretty explicit (emphasis added):

MCCOY: Based on what? Memories of a war over a century ago? On theories about a people we've never even met face to face?
STILES: We know what they look like.
SPOCK: Yes, indeed we do, Mister Stiles. And if Romulans are an offshoot of my Vulcan blood, and I think this likely, then attack becomes even more imperative.
MCCOY: War is never imperative, Mister Spock.
SPOCK: It is for them, Doctor. Vulcan, like Earth, had its aggressive colonizing period. Savage, even by Earth standards. And if Romulans retain this martial philosophy, then weakness is something we dare not show.

 

[Mudd]

It's an explicit "if" and "likely."