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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x07 - "What Is Starfleet?"

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Yeah, Starfleet uses it both ways, for the Enterprise they are using it in the same sense that modern commercial store do. For example, LEGO's flagship store is in London in Leicester Square.

Also seems similar to the British Royal navy having the flagship being their most prestigious ship.
 
I actually find it a bit funny how 5/7 episodes this season now have some form of monsters and mass casualty catastrophes central to their plots.

Despite having more gimmick episodes than season 1 & 2, this season also is way more serious than those.

Let's see what disasters await us in the upcoming Vulcan comedy episode...
 
Also seems similar to the British Royal navy having the flagship being their most prestigious ship.
Pike was made a fleet captain, but onky on paper, so it feels off, and Kirk was just one captain among many silmilar Constitution class ships on similar missions, so I don't really favour this label at this time.

After TMP, maybe.
 
I was a bit perturbed by why Beto kept asking the crew policy questions about a planet they were, at best, peripherally aware of before being assigned a mission there. Isn't it really a Federation President/Commissioner of State question? There must be a news article on why the Federation is aiding planet Wherever in their war despite their historical links to the Klingons.
 
So, was I the only one watching the closing credits focused on that star thinking "so we're going to finish this episode dwelling on the spot where the alien creature committed suicide?"

Oh, I am? Okay, moving on...
 
Why was the Federation/Starfleet helping or doing anything but watching? They knew the thing they were moving was being called a "weapon" right? Even not knowing it was a living being, why would they transport weapons (or anything but food and med supplies) through war zones?
 
Why was the Federation/Starfleet helping or doing anything but watching? They knew the thing they were moving was being called a "weapon" right? Even not knowing it was a living being, why would they transport weapons (or anything but food and med supplies) through war zones?
It was officially labeled "livestock" -- for "rebuilding" efforts.

Not a weapon.
 
Pike was made a fleet captain, but onky on paper, so it feels off, and Kirk was just one captain among many silmilar Constitution class ships on similar missions, so I don't really favour this label at this time.

After TMP, maybe.
In the ST: D era just a few years earlier it was stated that Pike and the 1701 were purposely sent on a deep space exploration mission away from the front line of the Federation/Klingon war because Command consider him and his crew "The best of us..." and they wanted to keep them safe and have them survive to continue IF the worst happened and the Federation lost and was conquered.
^^^
Given that I can see the 1701 considered as the 'Federation Flagship' while under Pike's command; but that title removed/transferred when Kirk takes over command of the ship from Pike. :shrug:
 
Why was the Federation/Starfleet helping or doing anything but watching? They knew the thing they were moving was being called a "weapon" right? Even not knowing it was a living being, why would they transport weapons (or anything but food and med supplies) through war zones?
They didn't know it was a weapon but they were helping because the Klingons were tipping the balance on the other side which goes back to the old Cold War dynamic of TOS.
 
Well damn, I didn't think I'd like this episode at all, but came away having to give it a 10 for execution, especially given the premise. The whole Federation versus Empire question bookending the episode was very well handled, with nary a hint of ham handedness--We make it, it doesn't make Us. The character work was nicely done, deftly interspersed into the actual story line. The direction was pretty much impeccable to my eyes. A bit of misdirection at Uhura doing the mind meld in place of the brain scrambled Spock, but I guess i can buy that. I do wish they would've found a way to sneak Scotty in there, but I suppose we already know about his backstory from last season. Also, kudos to the prosthetics department, a really cool looking alien for basically a throwaway species never to be seen again. So, even though the trope of a weird, misunderstood, intelligent being was well worn, it was very well done, and the character studies made the episode. Much better than it had a right to be!
 
La'an is becoming my favorite character on this show, I think.
Same here. I liked the character since the very beginning, but I always preferred Spock. They've really given her a lot of character development throughout the series though, so it makes it a hard decision! She's my wife's favorite character by a wide margin too.
 
I know, people have answered this, but...

5. Nu-Trek has obviously abandoned the Roddenberry ideal that humans or humankind are more sociologically or mentally advanced in the 23rd Century. The characters are pulled right out of our own life and times in terms of their reactions, motivations, and emotions.

Humans in the 23rd century:
KIRK: Well, here's one thing you can be sure of, Mister. Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There's no room for it on the Bridge. Do I make myself clear?​
KIRK: All right. It's instinctive. But the instinct can be fought. We're human beings with the blood of a million savage years on our hands, but we can stop it. We can admit that we're killers, but we're not going to kill today. That's all it takes. Knowing that we won't kill today.​
KIRK: Maybe we weren't meant for paradise. Maybe we were meant to fight our way through. Struggle, claw our way up, scratch for every inch of the way. Maybe we can't stroll to the music of the lute. We must march to the sound of drums.​

Not accusing anyone here of anything, but there have long been TNG fans who'd make bold and sweeping statements about what Star Trek is and what it should be based solely on TNG and the statements of a man who'd convinced himself he was a philosopher and who had nothing to do with TNG or any other Star Trek after its second season. Once again, TNG is not the alpha and omega, it is one of many directions Star Trek has taken since TOS, which was the product of many writers and producers. In TOS, 23rd century humans knew damn well they were flawed, but they were aspiring and working to be better. Then in TNG Picard and his gang come along and can't wait to tell everyone how perfect they are. And every other Star Trek series since, from DS9 on, has at most paid lip service to that Roddenberrian perfect people business.
 
Well damn, I didn't think I'd like this episode at all, but came away having to give it a 10 for execution, especially given the premise. The whole Federation versus Empire question bookending the episode was very well handled, with nary a hint of ham handedness--We make it, it doesn't make Us. The character work was nicely done, deftly interspersed into the actual story line. The direction was pretty much impeccable to my eyes. A bit of misdirection at Uhura doing the mind meld in place of the brain scrambled Spock, but I guess i can buy that. I do wish they would've found a way to sneak Scotty in there, but I suppose we already know about his backstory from last season. Also, kudos to the prosthetics department, a really cool looking alien for basically a throwaway species never to be seen again. So, even though the trope of a weird, misunderstood, intelligent being was well worn, it was very well done, and the character studies made the episode. Much better than it had a right to be!

I kind of liked the whole Uhura vs Spock doing the meld thing bc it spoke to me about the "too much sensitivity" thing. I liked the whole esper thing turned on its head. And Uhura is -- as she emphasized -- the Communications Officer trained to engage in this sort of thing.
 
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