I sort of f agree though I think Lorca and Pike and Spock to a lesser degree, were part of the core for their single seasons and Cleveland Book kind of replaced Tilly in the later seasons.
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I sort of f agree though I think Lorca and Pike and Spock to a lesser degree, were part of the core for their single seasons and Cleveland Book kind of replaced Tilly in the later seasons.
DSC was strongly promoted as the fall and rise of a Starfleet Number One.
I mean... the same looking ship class shows up in the TNG era as well, so I guess the designs don't seem to change much?There's a B'Rel in the debris
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Also seen inside the Scavenger ship in #StarTrekSNW's "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail" are various bits and pieces of a very familiar starship: A Klingon Bird-of-Prey! Not the one introduced in season 1 of #StarTrekDiscovery but the one (with slight alterations) from "Star Trek III" and onwards! 😁bsky.app
I thought in season two when they weren't using her much she was going to be killed off. Then I thought she was going to die from the Gorn attack.
I think it underlines that the writers find it really hard to write for new scenarios and new characters... they find a lot of comfort in what has come before, but find it hard to flesh out new content.
When Scotty beamed over, I was sad because that probably meant no Pelia. When Pelia showed up, I was no longer sad. They had a nice excuse for not showing Main Engineering this episode. How many more excuses will they come up with before the series ends? 
Telephone gimmick was gimmicky. I wonder if Pelia has a copy of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial for the 2600?
Telephone gimmick was gimmicky. I wonder if Pelia has a copy of E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial for the 2600?
That's more like it.
I'm annoyed that all of my favorite episodes from season 2 and 3 seem to be Kirk episodes. I want great Pike episodes again. (The end of this one was a step in the right direction.)
I'm delighted that Wesley has turned me around after not liking him at all in Quality of Mercy. I thought he had found his feet in season 2. But this was kind of next level for me. They managed to deconstruct the "hot head with no regard for the rules" trope that people (wrongly) get from Kirk's reputation and gave us a more thoughtful Captain who is closer to Shatner's actual Kirk.
Kirk's phobia of The Chair was actually pretty cool.
And at around 33 minutes Melumad gave us a pretty unmistakable James Horner homage for a few notes. Nice.
I'm annoyed that all of my favorite episodes from season 2 and 3 seem to be Kirk episodes. I want great Pike episodes again. (The end of this one was a step in the right direction.)
I'm delighted that Wesley has turned me around after not liking him at all in Quality of Mercy. I thought he had found his feet in season 2. But this was kind of next level for me. They managed to deconstruct the "hot head with no regard for the rules" trope that people (wrongly) get from Kirk's reputation and gave us a more thoughtful Captain who is closer to Shatner's actual Kirk.
Kirk's phobia of The Chair was actually pretty cool.
And at around 33 minutes Melumad gave us a pretty unmistakable James Horner homage for a few notes. Nice.
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Here's a comparison of the Bird-of-Prey wing seen inside the Scavenger ship in #StarTrekSNW's "The Sehlat Who Ate Its Tail"↖️, the 23rd/24th century Bird-of-Prey ↗️ and the 22nd century version of the ship from #StarTrekENT ↙️. The SNW ship definitely looks more like ↗️.
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According to the VFX supervisor it was intended to be the 22nd century BoP seen in ENT, but apparently something happened between idea and screen.I mean... the same looking ship class shows up in the TNG era as well, so I guess the designs don't seem to change much?
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Wow. Kirk, Spock, Uhura, Scotty and Chapel all together was some nice foreshadowing.
Pelia was fun as always "you don't get to live 5000 years getting shot a lot" .... a lot?
At first I thought we'd get a/the Doomsday Machine and it being a monstrosity full of humans was a helluva twist.
I also thought they might be rewriting the end of the Farragut minus Tycho IV and Captain Garrovick, but that disaster is still yet to come.
This one goes to eleven.
Pelia was fun as always "you don't get to live 5000 years getting shot a lot" .... a lot?
At first I thought we'd get a/the Doomsday Machine and it being a monstrosity full of humans was a helluva twist.
I also thought they might be rewriting the end of the Farragut minus Tycho IV and Captain Garrovick, but that disaster is still yet to come.
This one goes to eleven.
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Nope the Tycho IV incident with the Farragut and Kirk already has happed (in 2256) about the same time as ST: D's first season occurs in.
Tycho IV and Captain Garrovick's death happened a couple of years before SNW Season One, unless Kirk's history is being completely rewritten.
The episode is bothering me, and it's not because of some lore inconsistency or a plot hole, it's that somebody thought it was a good idea to depict
- the first human explorers of the galaxy as some sort of recluse pirate/scavenger boogey men, unable to a settle a planet, or re-initiate contact with Earth as it forms the Federation
- the personal growth of Kirk before the original series with an accidental mass casualty event
Like... really? The Kirk from The Final Frontier and Generations has THIS SHIT lurking in his past?
- the first human explorers of the galaxy as some sort of recluse pirate/scavenger boogey men, unable to a settle a planet, or re-initiate contact with Earth as it forms the Federation
- the personal growth of Kirk before the original series with an accidental mass casualty event
Like... really? The Kirk from The Final Frontier and Generations has THIS SHIT lurking in his past?
Yeah, the Farragut has been through it.
Kirk also was present for an attempted (and somewhat successful) genocide. He, like the Farragut, has been through it a bit. ("You've never have faced death." "The deuce you say, boy!")
It's also left as a mystery (and one gnawing at Our Heroes) as to WHY this happened. (Plus in many ways you can see them as extraordinarily successful pirate/scavenger boogey men.) We don't know what made them "spit on (their) hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
I was kind of expecting it to turn out to be the ring ship Enterprise.
To be honest, I'm getting tired of EVERYTHING the Enterprise encounters being able to kick its butt with scarcely a thought. Including the freaking Gorn. What have they run into that isn't unbeatable?
In TOS the Enterprise was usually impregnable, but there was usually someone stuck on a planet and they couldn't beam them back without dropping shields. (The shields that were making them impregnable.) It's a Superman thing. You can't beat Superman but maybe you can make it so that he can't beat you.
They could be beaten by an Apollo, or Metrons, or other space gods. Or an ancient planet killing marauder.
Run of the mill spacefarers? Enterprise comes out on top. Even the Klingons had to result to sabotage or outnumber them 3 to 1.
In this case, I realize that the concept is that these poor sods have been scavenging for every scrap of technology they could get their hands on for two centuries, but does that result in super powers?
Kirk also was present for an attempted (and somewhat successful) genocide. He, like the Farragut, has been through it a bit. ("You've never have faced death." "The deuce you say, boy!")
It's also left as a mystery (and one gnawing at Our Heroes) as to WHY this happened. (Plus in many ways you can see them as extraordinarily successful pirate/scavenger boogey men.) We don't know what made them "spit on (their) hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats."
I was kind of expecting it to turn out to be the ring ship Enterprise.
To be honest, I'm getting tired of EVERYTHING the Enterprise encounters being able to kick its butt with scarcely a thought. Including the freaking Gorn. What have they run into that isn't unbeatable?
In TOS the Enterprise was usually impregnable, but there was usually someone stuck on a planet and they couldn't beam them back without dropping shields. (The shields that were making them impregnable.) It's a Superman thing. You can't beat Superman but maybe you can make it so that he can't beat you.
They could be beaten by an Apollo, or Metrons, or other space gods. Or an ancient planet killing marauder.
Run of the mill spacefarers? Enterprise comes out on top. Even the Klingons had to result to sabotage or outnumber them 3 to 1.
In this case, I realize that the concept is that these poor sods have been scavenging for every scrap of technology they could get their hands on for two centuries, but does that result in super powers?
Other posters have pointed to the similarity between this episode and The Doomsday Machine - personally I kind of like the idea that Kirk is put into almost the exact same position of Commodore Decker when the machine laid waste to the Constellation, maybe a bit better because at least he has some surviving crew.
I'm not. I'm tired of the main ship being able to beat everything.
Come on, every alien in the cosmos has captured the TARDIS at least once.
I wouldn't say we "don't know" given they kind of spelled it out via circumstances.
The ship launched from Earth before the invention of warp drive, with people who fully believed the Earth was doomed, and who fully believed they were the only hope humanity had left.
The ship probably got dragged into an Anomaly while traveling to it's destination, got dumped somewhere relatively far away, ended up in a situation that forced them to sacrifice their morals to keep going, and then just continued falling down the slippery slope using the justification that since they were the last humans their continued survival was more important then whatever other alien races they might run into.
Or as Quark put it.
The Scavenger ship logo from pre-warp, post-WWIII Earth (2050s):
The Friendship 1 warp probe logo from 2067:
The Friendship 1 warp probe logo from 2067:
Right now the Enterprise can't beat anything.
Good
Geoffrey Mandel posted on Facebook that it was fun seeing his UESPA logo on the ship.
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