Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x03 - "Shuttle to Kenfori"
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As Janeway said it was a different time and they all would have been booted out of Starfleet by 24th century standards
He hasn't brought up gazelles yet.
I feel we have to include the caveat.
"I'm willing to condone murder to protect my friend...but the guy was a child murdering warlord."
I feel like leaving off that part affects things.
It's not DISCO where we just recruit the child murdering warlord to do our black ops.
I remember when the show was announced coming off some fairly disappointing seasons of DSC and PIC, my friend joked that it was okay if the show was a little crappy, since Kirk is a much more renowned captain than Pike, so it makes sense if TOS is better.
He's supposed to be a good captain?
23rd century transporters don't have all the features of 24th century transporters. I'm very glad they didn't go the 'Magic Transporter' route because technically you could fix anything and everything easily if everyone can just be 'regressed' to their last known 'good Transport'.
Apparently not.
I'd rather serve under Pike or Kirk than the pontificating and often hypocritical Captain Jean-Luc Picard. Hell - Picard never showed himself as a good Capotain who put his crew and ship first. He (IMO) was always too willing to sacrifice his crew or the safety of the ship for some esoteric 'Federation Ideal'.
Nine times out of ten he NEVER returned fire until AFTER the b1701-D's shields were down, and the ship damaged or Federation casualties taken.
He lost the USS Star Gazer because he wouldn't fire back at a Ferengi Marauder EVER AFTER they opened fire first. In the Flashbacks he's seen just standing there screaming: "Please don't attack us again!..." as his Bridge burns.
^^^
Yeah, fail to see what made Picard such a 'great Captain' to anyone other than the sycophants around him.
PIcard S1 WAS probably how most of TNG era Starfleet really saw him.
This was ok, liked the feud with the Klingons and the Ortegas stuff, the zombie stuff was dumb.
Whoa, now that’s more like it! Was prepared to not enjoy this one since I’m really fucking tired of zombies, but was surprised by how much I liked it. Thankfully zombies weren’t that big a part of it. This is definitely the best of the first three episodes so far. It has some interesting themes, finally gave some more meaty material to Melissa Navia (hope they’ll let that one run for a while and don’t conclude it in an episode or two) and I love that it paired up Pike and M’Benga again. Did not expect them to follow up on “Under the Cloak of War” this way. And while I do like the idea of bringing in Dak’Rah’s daughter and attempting to give a more definite answer as to what really happened at the climax of that episode, there’s also another half of me that would have preferred if they never told us whether M’Benga murdered Rah or just killed him in self-defense.
Production-wise I thought the music was pretty good, the atmosphere on the planet was appropriately spooky (that lab set was gorgeous and looked huge) and the casting of Christine Horn as Bytha was perfect. Yeah, the Klingon honor schtick is super lame, but she nicely chewed the scenery and it was cool to see a Klingon woman again in a role they typically give to men. Am I the only one who wished they had saved her and taken her aboard the Enterprise?
The plot on the ship was handled really well, I thought, and it was nice to see more of Scotty and Number One in command. What the fuck did they think with that weird hairstyle for Una, though? It was almost too distracting. Half the time it looked like she was wearing a beany.
Production-wise I thought the music was pretty good, the atmosphere on the planet was appropriately spooky (that lab set was gorgeous and looked huge) and the casting of Christine Horn as Bytha was perfect. Yeah, the Klingon honor schtick is super lame, but she nicely chewed the scenery and it was cool to see a Klingon woman again in a role they typically give to men. Am I the only one who wished they had saved her and taken her aboard the Enterprise?
The plot on the ship was handled really well, I thought, and it was nice to see more of Scotty and Number One in command. What the fuck did they think with that weird hairstyle for Una, though? It was almost too distracting. Half the time it looked like she was wearing a beany.
To me that’s surprising to hear that they considered this the weakest one, when episode two was such a disappointment.
Well, I’m not ashamed to admit I didn’t get that at all. Mind you, I wasn’t shocked that she was his daughter, but I certainly didn’t see it coming. My assumption was that they just showed those scenes from “Under the Cloak of War” because Pike would somehow bring it up to M’Benga when they were on their mission.
If it wasn’t meant to be ambiguous then the pivotal scene of him admitting that he killed Rah on purpose wouldn’t make much sense. Also, didn’t the writers back then outright state that the way it was shot was designed so that viewers weren’t clear about what really had happened?
No, because he is not going to die but I expect Batel will make a noble sacrifice this season
That wasn't the question. What was the impression from the Cage that makes people go "this is supposed to be a good captain?"Apparently not.
I took him as a very human captain, one who makes mistakes, struggles with various facets of his duty but one that is honest and capable despite these flaws.
Discovery season 2 implied or stated via Admiral Cornwall, Pike was a boy scout captain, the most 'godly'.
SNW reminds the audience he is just a man.
Hi BBSers,
My family and I like to watch new Star Trek together, but I always check here first to make sure there isn't anything inappropriate for a 10YO (like heavy gore, or upsetting themes like child death- for calibration, the episodes we've skipped are 1.6 [child death], 1.9 [extreme fear] and 2.8 [distressing gore/themes]).
Could the good folks of the BBS please give me a (spoiler-free) heads up if there's anything too much for this ep- thanks!
My family and I like to watch new Star Trek together, but I always check here first to make sure there isn't anything inappropriate for a 10YO (like heavy gore, or upsetting themes like child death- for calibration, the episodes we've skipped are 1.6 [child death], 1.9 [extreme fear] and 2.8 [distressing gore/themes]).
Could the good folks of the BBS please give me a (spoiler-free) heads up if there's anything too much for this ep- thanks!
This episode I've liked the best so far of the season. I don't think it was as good as the ENT episode with the Vulcan zombies, but I did enjoy the character moments with Pike and M'Benga and Una and Ortegas, and I also liked that we got a sequel to "Under the Cloak of War." The Klingon battlecruiser looked great, and I liked that they even used a DISCO Klingon style ship. I also like that Batel is also not out of the woods yet, which might lead to a satisfactory ending of the Gorn arc.
I liked Number One a lot this episode. She felt like a natural in the captain's chair. I liked the bun even if the wig looked ill-fitting, and I would rather see her on her own ship as a spin off than a reboot of the Original Series with Wesley's Kirk.
The biggest disappointment was when Pike freaked out. I don't care for how SNW depicts him. It's like they want to make him the most positively masculine ultimate Dad Captain, but they overdo it, and he often comes off as too indecisive and, in this episode, too emotive at the wrong time.
Other quibbles:
-I think the Klingon uniforms are too shiny, garish even. With Bytha being an outcast, I wouldn't have minded seeing some ENT-style fur and leather. I would've loved if we had gotten Original Series and DISCO Klingons for Bytha's henchmen.
-I wish they would say the name of the medical assistant. I'm really hoping it's really going to be the Original M'Benga, even though I've seen he's named differently. I'm holding out hope though that that's a fake out.
-I get Pelia not wanting to go to the meeting, but where was she when the ship was on the line?
I liked Number One a lot this episode. She felt like a natural in the captain's chair. I liked the bun even if the wig looked ill-fitting, and I would rather see her on her own ship as a spin off than a reboot of the Original Series with Wesley's Kirk.
The biggest disappointment was when Pike freaked out. I don't care for how SNW depicts him. It's like they want to make him the most positively masculine ultimate Dad Captain, but they overdo it, and he often comes off as too indecisive and, in this episode, too emotive at the wrong time.
Other quibbles:
-I think the Klingon uniforms are too shiny, garish even. With Bytha being an outcast, I wouldn't have minded seeing some ENT-style fur and leather. I would've loved if we had gotten Original Series and DISCO Klingons for Bytha's henchmen.
-I wish they would say the name of the medical assistant. I'm really hoping it's really going to be the Original M'Benga, even though I've seen he's named differently. I'm holding out hope though that that's a fake out.
-I get Pelia not wanting to go to the meeting, but where was she when the ship was on the line?
Prepping her hair for zero g.
Really, The Last Of Us: Trek edition?
Boring, derivative. I know these writers can do better.
Boring, derivative. I know these writers can do better.
Uh, the tension was being outnumbered ten to one by creatures surrounding you ten feet away who want to eat you.
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