Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"
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How do we all feel about the cliffhanger in retrospect?
Some people at the time said it was nothing special, others couldn't wait for the next season.
I liked the finale a lot but I wouldn't say it's BoBW level. The strike didn't help anticipation levels any.
Some people at the time said it was nothing special, others couldn't wait for the next season.
I liked the finale a lot but I wouldn't say it's BoBW level. The strike didn't help anticipation levels any.
Couldn’t care less. I found the episode mediocre and the cliffhanger not particularly interesting.
For me it’s totally fine as far as cliffhangers go: I want to know what happens to Batel and how they’ll get out of the situation with the Gorn, but it didn’t leave us with a super mysterious open ending that makes the waiting almost unpleasant. Nothing on the level of them finally opening the hatch on the Lost island, for example, where you almost get mad at the writers for having you wait all that time to finally answer a question the viewer had on their mind for almost an entire season.
Come to think of it, this is the writers finally letting go of universe-ending threats for once and having more personal stakes at a smaller scale. Either they tired of them on their own or they actually listened to what viewers have been saying for some reason.
But honestly, at this point I’m already super invested in the show and SO on board with everything they are doing. I’ll be eagerly awaiting season three no matter what happens; even if they had no cliffhanger at all.
Come to think of it, this is the writers finally letting go of universe-ending threats for once and having more personal stakes at a smaller scale. Either they tired of them on their own or they actually listened to what viewers have been saying for some reason.
But honestly, at this point I’m already super invested in the show and SO on board with everything they are doing. I’ll be eagerly awaiting season three no matter what happens; even if they had no cliffhanger at all.
Not big on cliffhangers, but I liked the episode a lot.
I'm genuinely curious how they resolve the situation, though I'm worried about the fate of Captain Batel, as I like her character.
I'm also looking foward to what is sure to be a deeper look into the Gorn and learning more about their society. It's no coincidence that both their "expert" on the Gorn and a Xenoanthropologist were taken.
I'm genuinely curious how they resolve the situation, though I'm worried about the fate of Captain Batel, as I like her character.
I'm also looking foward to what is sure to be a deeper look into the Gorn and learning more about their society. It's no coincidence that both their "expert" on the Gorn and a Xenoanthropologist were taken.
It's a good use of a well known trope. If people don't care by episode 10 of season 2 they are not going to care.
Worked for me. And that's not a consistent thing with streaming Trek season enders.
I admit to screaming a little at the cliffhanger. I was so engrossed I didn't realize the hour was up! I'm waiting as patiently as I can for season 3.
No it wasn't Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger level; but hell no cliffhanger TNG or DS9 or ENT (didn't watch VOY so can't speak to it) did after Best of Both Worlds were anything special for all that memorable either.
The above said, it worked well enough for me, but given the situation is it's going to be roughly 18 months or more between the season 2 cliffhanger, and the season 3 premiere; when all is said and done years from now, it should just come across like your average two-part episode.
Honestly for people who didn't experience The TNG S3 Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger 'live', as it occurred 34 years ago, and the honestly surprise of it, and rhe buzz it raised for TNG series during the four month wait; a lot of the shock is lost because you can see what happens immediately afterwards now.
Ultimately that will be the case for this Strange New Worlds cliffhanger as well.
I REALLY hope they don't kill off Batel. She's badass and she and Pike make a really cute couple.
That said: Scotty must be up for a few rapid promotions. It's only 6 years removed from TOS (in which he is a LCDR) and he's just a LTJG now?
That said: Scotty must be up for a few rapid promotions. It's only 6 years removed from TOS (in which he is a LCDR) and he's just a LTJG now?
Rapid might be, but we don't know a lot of facts.
One, we don't know time in grade as a J.G. so he could be up for the next stripe, and then 4 or 5 years to Lt. Commander as head of Engineering, and second officer. Likely he could have run engineering as a lieutenant (department head), but being the second officer probably brought the bump up in rank.
Geordi and Worf managed it.
LaForge went from Lt. j.g. to Lt. Cmdr. in 2 years (j.g. is season 1, full Lt. as Chief Engineer in season 2, began season 3 as a Lt. Cmdr.) and Worf went from Lt. j.g. to Lt. Cmdr. in about 6 years. (He was Lt. j.g. during season 2, then began season 3 as a full Lt., and got to Lt. Cmdr. a few months after TNG season 7 ended.)
We might very well have seen Scotty only just receiving a Lt. Cmdr. bump when TOS series began. (I don't think his rank was revealed in "WHERE NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE", so he may very have been a full Lt. there and received the promotion right before "THE CORBOMITE MANEUVER", the first produced episode afterward.)
BOBW worked very well as a cliffhanger partly because at the time people thought they really might actually kill Picard. It loses a lot of its bite when you know that isn't the case. BUT, it's still a fantastic episode.
The only other cliffhanger I can think of that was as effective was "A Call To Arms" on DS9, but that was a bit of an inverse. It upended your expectations that things would be solved by the next episode, and that opening shot with the decimated Federation fleet limping home was a hell of a gut punch.
How old were you when you saw BoBW? How old are you now? There's no way they're gonna hit the same.
Maybe to the current generation of young younglings watching but not to anyone who was there in the 90s.
It was an effective cliffhanger, and I look forward to some out of the box writing in how it's going to be resolved. I suspect they'll introduce new captives already held by the Gorn whose sacrifice will be especially poignant.
FWIW, my money's on Scotty's little gadget scaling up so that Enterprise is able to sneak up real close to the Gorn ships. And the Grown-up Gorns (Gorn-ups?) will respond to events in some completely unexpected way that both illuminates for Pike that they're more sophisticated than the juniors have been acting, and gives the humans some kind of leverage to make an escape or a bargain.
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