Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"

[Crazyewok]

Don't forget the Cardassians. They were introduced as weaklings that needed Enterprise to help stop a single rampaging Federation starship. Then two years later they're a major galactic power.

Cardassians were not a galactic power until they allied with the Dominion.

Until that point they were a 2 or 3rd rate power pretending to be a 1st rate galactic power like Russia is today pretending to be a world power or how North Korea thinks it some sort of power but is just a international joke.

In DS9 the Klingons completely wrecked them in a matter of days and were almost on the doorstop to Cardassia and that was while fighting a border war with the federation.

They couldn't even pacify Bajor and had to resort to genocide which still didn't work.

Only reason the federation didn't crush them in the border wars was because the Federation had zero interest in conquest and they acted defensively protecting its colony's, a stupid strategy that would come back to bite them. Federation should of sorted the fascist upstarts out then.

Even the dominion didn't take the Cardassian seriously and dropped them as soon as they found their new BFF in the Breen.

Cardassians were all bluff and no substance. Like most fascist regimes.

 

[Tuskin38]

The Defiant crew also wore a different badge.

Not in the Tholian Web. But they did in the ENT Mirror Episodes.

 

[Jedman67]

Technically, she's not Enterprise crew either, she's a civilian on a research assignment. I think they have been a bit free and easy giving her a lot of authority throughout the show since M'Benga should have his own chief nurse who would be Starfleet, and probably an officer (most likely an ensign) who can be seen in the background. That said, they only have 200 crew so medical staff might be lighter.

There's no reason for the nurse to be a line officer. Especially someone who's qualified and experienced.

 

[cooleddie74]

Not in the Tholian Web. But they did in the ENT Mirror Episodes.

Lucklly for ENT in "The Tholian Web(TOS)" most of the Defiant crew's uniforms were displayed at angles that made most of the shirt insignia not visible or just barely so. That gave them the freedom to design their own and still have it be believable that the new insignia was what you were seeing in the 1968 TOS episode.

 

[UssGlenn]

Lucklly for ENT in "The Tholian Web(TOS)" most of the Defiant crew's uniforms were displayed at angles that made most of the shirt insignia not visible or just barely so. That gave them the freedom to design their own and still have it be believable that the new insignia was what you were seeing in the 1968 TOS episode.

The lack of visible insignia certainly seems deliberate in Tholian Web. As if they didn't have the time or budget to make new badges so they deliberately hid the Deltas. Could there have been disagreement behind the scenes about the badge issue?

 

[Noname Given]

Commodore Decker was the only person we saw wearing the pretzel badge aboard the Constellation, as there were no other Constellation survivors to appear in uniform. There was no onscreen explanation for the pretzel badge, and Justman didn't mention it in his memo complaining about the Exeter badge. Additionally, in "Court-Martial," Kirk's former classmates giving him grief over the loss of Ben Finney wore the standard Starfleet delta, not the Starbase/Starfleet Command flower. Presumably, they were assigned to other ships and not under Kirk's command on the Enterprise, otherwise they'd be more circumspect in mouthing off to Kirk in the bar.

In "The Tholian Web," the badges were either missing or were the regular Starfleet delta.
In the seventies, a fan myth took hold that each ship had its own badge, and when those fans went to work on TNG and later productions, they carried that assumption with them when they wrote things like the Encyclopedias and Chronologies and Technical Manuals and other "reference fiction." The Defiant didn't actually get its own badge until 2005's "In A Mirror Darkly."

In TOS S1 Court Martial, all the various crew from other shipd (like teh 'old classmates' Kirk ran into at the Starbase bar) were sporting the standard 'Delta' emblem - and they weren't part of the 1701 crew by the conversation.

So, yeah. all through the run of the original STAR TREK series (like MANY other aspects), the costume designers were inconsistent. Some episodes had crewmembers of other Starfleet ships displaying different badges on their tunic, while others had everyone (1701 crew and crewmembers of other ships) displaying the 'standard Delta' badge.

There was no absolute consistency in this (again, like SO MANY other aspects of Star Trek).

 

[jackoverfull]

First, the temperature. A spaceship cannot easily lose heat. It's in the vacuum of space. We're all familiar with thermos flasks keeping things warm (or cold) by insulating the contents with a vacuum. Spacecraft can only lose heat by radiation, which is very inefficient compared to convection or conduction.This is why the space shuttle always had its cargo bay doors open in space – the inside of the doors were its life support radiators. Starships in Star Trek seem to have magic technology that somehow means they don't need large radiators to cool themselves despite the extraordinary energies released by warp cores and impulse reactors, but either way, if life support fails the crew are going to bake, not freeze

indeed, this always bugged me. There was one episode of Voyager where they got it right: life support fails and the ship starts getting very hot.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The lack of visible insignia certainly seems deliberate in Tholian Web. As if they didn't have the time or budget to make new badges so they deliberately hid the Deltas. Could there have been disagreement behind the scenes about the badge issue?

Justman left the series early in the the third season, so he might not have been a factor.

 

[cooleddie74]

They were probably prescient enough to remember different ships had different tunic insignia but since this was Season 3 and the budget had been trimmed they just didn't have the money to make and sew new U.S.S. Defiant patches on existing shirts so they just reused shirts from the existing wardrobe and positioned the extras so that the Enterprise delta arrowhead wouldn't easily be seen.

 

[Rahul]

I understand the original intention of making each starship unique, it adds to the worldbuilding.

However that insignia is just too good and too iconic of a design. Like the Batman symbol, every generation can put it's spin on it, while still being recognizable even for non- or casual fans. It was absolutely the right decision to use it as a universal identifier both in-universe and the real world.

Like the UESPA, it falls for me under early Installment Weirdness, which probably has a good in-continuity explanation (like a temporary fleet alliance, test department, an equivalent to a NATO mission outside of Starfleet jurisdiction, or whatever)

 

[NCC-73515]

Yep. Sean Ferrick at Trek Culture gave a downvote during the episode review (it's on Youtube and worth watching, btw) for the scene where Spock drives the object into the Gorn's helmet, causing exposure to vacuum, because of the scene in ENT where it was stated that the Gorn can survive the vacuum of space. Nothing against Sean, he's terrific, it's just some fans will nitpick that, and I don't think it's pertinent enough to care about, quite honestly.

It looked like Spock not only pierced the helmet, but the skull as well, you know... where the brain is

I guess I am the anomaly who never watched "Arena" and laughed at the original Gorn. Scared the shit out of me as a kid and I still take him seriously today. Oh well.

I don't have many action figures cause I care more about ships and props, but I had to get a MEGO Gorn cause they're awesome!

 

[Nerys Myk]

They were probably prescient enough to remember different ships had different tunic insignia but since this was Season 3 and the budget had been trimmed they just didn't have the money to make and sew new U.S.S. Defiant patches on existing shirts so they just reused shirts from the existing wardrobe and positioned the extras so that the Enterprise delta arrowhead wouldn't easily be seen.

The dropped the ball in the sickbay scenes then,

 

[cooleddie74]

"Pull that bed restraint strap down a little more."

"Don't worry, no one will ever notice."

 

[Chovak]

Trek seems to have forgotten the ship's badge thing.

Not the front delta badge on the regular uniform but the side badge on the field jacket. (the ship's name's on it)

 

[Noname Given]

The dropped the ball in the sickbay scenes then,

Not if it's on a 13" B&W TV.

 

[cooleddie74]

If you squint that sort of looks like the ENT Defiant patch. Squint. And look away.

 

[Nerys Myk]

If you squint that sort of looks like the ENT Defiant patch. Squint. And look away.

That crewman looks like Trip.

 

[cooleddie74]

And yet his facial bruise is 100 times more believable than Tasha Yar's that was painted on Denise Crosby's face almost twenty years later.

 

[Mr Awe]

This is more an argument against prequels in general...everything you listed is really part/parcel of prequels as a concept.

This is why I'm not a fan of the idea of prequels in general. However, I have to say that the SNW folks have done a fantastic job at keeping things fresh and surprising despite those restrictions.

 

[Mr Awe]

Just wait until you find out who takes over in a handful of years! Forced legacy characters everywhere.

Yes indeed! Right down to Beauregard, also known as "Gertrude", the carnivorous plant that Yeoman Janice Rand kept in the botany section of the life sciences department.