Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"

[firehawk12]

I hope you figured out they aren't technophobe Space Amish.

I mean, there's no information either way. I agree that the colonists could be elaborate cosplayers who are choosing to limit themselves by living in a society where they need to drive cars because all the city services and homes are spread far apart.

Stay tuned for my "20th century space colony Kirk/Spock urban planning slash fiction" story on AO3 coming soon. lol

After losing their homes in Utah, an extreme sect of Mormons fled into deep space, eventually setting on the planet Parnassus Beta despite warnings from the Federation government. The problem with Parnassus Beta, however, was that it was deep within the Arachnid (Gorn) Quarantine Zone. Only good bug is a dead bug!!


We all have our own bias's I can't understand how one would live in a downtown city with like zero greenery.. just Blah..

I grew up in a town of 4000, there was 1 mainstreet, and some congregation of homes in the town, then ALOT of people on 5 acres a few miles out.. Thats what I think of this planet. Eventually there will be cities, but it hasn't gotten that far.

Fair enough. I live in the biggest city in Canada and I still hate it because it's not Tokyo with its amazing public transit and walkable city/neighbourhood design. lol

 

[cooleddie74]

A wealthy homeowner in a safe neighborhood faces relatively few challenges if they don't travel. But many go on cruises and expensive vacations and globe hop. Because there's excitement in the unknown and the potentially risky.

 

[Ssosmcin]

The exact dialogue refers to the "creature the Metron called a Gorn." This could be interpreted as Kirk has never heard of a Gorn or Kirk doesn't recognize this as any Gorn he is familiar with. Either way works, and I choose the way that fits with TOS because it is more fun for me that way.

When he's talking into the recorder, he uses the word "apparently." Folks keep leaving that part out.

"A creature apparently called a Gorn."

Since he didn't follow it up with "and it's not like any Gorn I'm familiar with" or something, when "Arena" was filmed, it was meant to be a first contact encounter. Regardless of the shade the dinosaur man costume is getting from folks, Gene Coon wasn't being sloppy or leaving it open to interpretation. He was pretty clear. This was their first time dealing with them.

SNW is just doing their own thing with the concept. They're not concerned with everything fitting, I don't think we should be either.

 

[valkyrie013]

Think of the old west, people heading on out from the East. They didn't have to move ( well.. most of them, some had to..I joked about the Mormon Colony from Starship troopers, but there was a litteral shoot on site order in Missouri for Mormons back then.. They HAD to leave)
But people left for various reasons, Some a spirt of adventure, some a new begining, some running away, for this planet, same deal, various reasons to leave the federation behind. As Said, some are happy in Utopia, others want to get out of there as soon as they can. Look at Starfleet and who joins them. Various reasons.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yep. The executive order of Governor Lilburn Boggs.

 

[Uhura's Song]

Well, pretty satisfying.

Scotty!

Big, adult, slow Gorn.

We all knew Chapel had to be OK, and Spock and Pike, & M'benga, and Uhura. But Pins and needles for Batel, Ortegas, La'an, and Una.

First real cliffhanger for NuTrek, I think. PRO had some 2 parters. Only 1 two-parter in TOS (The Menangerie). The season-ending cliffhanger is Berman-era staple.

Glad Batel survived (so far).

 

[Amaris]

It also makes you wonder, as I mentioned in my review, whether there were other survivors. They weren't able to search thoroughly. They might've just dropped some living crewmembers onto the planet's surface!

True, but given the situation, they couldn't really do that, could they? Spock was doing his best to scan through the interference to look for life signs. Una then said it was unlikely anyone survived, to which Spock replied that there were still pockets of oxygen and someone could have survived.

The problem? Spock was over there just long enough to position the rockets. That Christine reached the bridge when he did is the only reason she survived. It was one of those situations where very little could be done if there was more than one survivor, especially with the Gorn Hunter sitting nearby just waiting to pick off anything larger than a body.

Keep in mind, too, it's likely the structural damage prevented anyone from getting around easily. @DaveyNY theorizes she was on the opposite side of the bridge dome, around that area at least, and since she was able to get hold of an EV suit, had a better chance than someone stuck in an oxygen pocket further down inside the ship. So Spock's answer to Una is Spock wanting Chapel to be alive. He was being logical about it, but more was motivating his belief that she could still be there.

So the chances were between slim and none, with several Gorn ships waiting to strike at the first sign of incursion, no ability to actually deep scan for life signs, and a dire need to quickly get the blocking signal shut down so the thousands of people planetside could be rescued.

Also, according to Pike, Batel was likely on the surface, as was most of her crew. So they were going into this with the understanding that most of the crew was on the surface, and that due to the massive and total damage to the Cayuga, there was unlikely to be any survivors on that ship.

"The needs of the many," in this instance, while seemingly cold, makes the most logical sense given the extreme circumstances.

 

[firehawk12]

A wealthy homeowner in a safe neighborhood faces relatively few challenges if they don't travel. But many go on cruises and expensive vacations and globe hop. Because there's excitement in the unknown and the potentially risky.

A cruise is the opposite of adventure, unless it ends up like Avenue 5 or the Costa Concordia. lol

 

[Odo]

I really enjoyed it. Gave it an 8. I also loved/hated seeing "To Be Continued" at the end. Scotty was great - I chuckled seeing him and Pelia run together. I'm wondering, if Pike has about 5 seasons or so left before his accident, might they continue Strange New Worlds past then, with Kirk and the remaining crew?

I'm neutral to the idea - I really like the actors playing those legacy characters, but I don't need to see more of them, and it's more important they try something new. Then again, the basic premise of Trek doesn't require new characters, just new worlds and ideas to explore. I suspect they're keeping their options open and are considering that route. Also wouldn't be surprised if they do a Spock show with Ethan Peck someday.

 

[Amaris]

I really enjoyed it. Gave it an 8. I also loved/hated seeing "To Be Continued" at the end. Scotty was great - I chuckled seeing him and Pelia run together. I'm wondering, if Pike has about 5 seasons or so left before his accident, might they continue Strange New Worlds past then, with Kirk and the remaining crew?

I'm neutral to the idea - I really like the actors playing those legacy characters, but I don't need to see more of them, and it's more important they try something new. Then again, the basic premise of Trek doesn't require new characters, just new worlds and ideas to explore. I suspect they're keeping their options open and are considering that route. Also wouldn't be surprised if they do a Spock show with Ethan Peck someday.

If they do it right, and have the motivation, Paramount could make a new series every couple of years, branching out, and meeting the wants of large groups of Trekkies who will gladly spend their money in the process. Look at the demand for "Legacy," and some folks want a "Starfleet Academy," others still want "Section 31."

While doing that, they could have SNW, Prodigy, and Lower Decks continuing a few more seasons. Everyone wins.

I mean, they have so much opportunity, if only they won't squander it.

 

[cooleddie74]

[*Cough*] The Romulan War. [/*Cough*cough*cough*]

 

[Amaris]

[*Cough*] The Romulan War. [/*Cough*cough*cough*]

Could you imagine a 3 or 4 season series all about the Romulan War? It would probably draw in people who don't care for Star Trek but love a good war series.

 

[Mr Awe]

True, but given the situation, they couldn't really do that, could they?

"The needs of the many," in this instance, while seemingly cold, makes the most logical sense given the extreme circumstances.

Agreed. And I did say "They weren't able to search thoroughly." So I understand the constraints. However, it raises interesting questions that they glossed over. They assumed there wouldn't be many but didn't really know. Based on the screenshot, there seems to be a large number of potential pockets.

Also, in most ST episodes, only a handful of crew beam down at any given time. So, the likelihood is that most were still aboard.

Should they have paused their ground plans to determine whether and how many survivors there were in the wreckage?

How many survivors in the wreckage would it have taken to delay their plans to drop the saucer on the planet?

I don't mean that as criticism of the episode. They had a story to tell and needed to focus on that. I'm sure we're supposed to assume that Christine was the only survivor. But it's just something I was wondering while watching!

 

[Amaris]

Agreed. And I did say "They weren't able to search thoroughly." So I understand the constraints. However, it raises interesting questions that they glossed over. They assumed there wouldn't be many but didn't really know. Based on the screenshot, there seems to be a large number of potential pockets.

Should they have paused their ground plans to determine whether and how many survivors there were in the wreckage?

How many survivors in the wreckage would it have taken to delay their plans to drop the saucer on the planet?

I don't mean that as criticism of the episode. They had a story to tell and needed to focus on that. I'm sure we're supposed to assume that Christine was the only survivor. But it's just something I was wondering while watching!

Oh certainly, I wonder those things as I watch, too. Hey, we might get an answer, but it's two years away. :/

 

[cooleddie74]

Could you imagine a 3 or 4 season series all about the Romulan War? It would probably draw in people who don't care for Star Trek but love a good war series.

Plus chances for Shran and Jonathan Archer cameos. Not that I'm suggesting future storylines.

 

[Amaris]

Plus chances for Shran and Jonathan Archer cameos. Not that I'm suggesting future storylines.

If I get my Star Trek show, I'm hiring you as a writer. My budget will only allow me to pay you in back rubs and Michelob Light, but you have free use of the bathroom, and there's free pizza every Saturday.

 

[cooleddie74]

I'd do it just for the backrubs and weekly pizza.

 

[Mr Awe]

Oh certainly, I wonder those things as I watch, too. Hey, we might get an answer, but it's two years away. :/

Aargh! That's the tough part about this cliffhanger. With BOBW, we at least knew it would be back after the summer break!

But probably no further discussion about potential saucer section survivors in the conclusion. In the real world, yes, but not here.

 

[Amaris]

I'd do it just for the backrubs and weekly pizza.

This is the kind of desperation I look for in a writer.

Aargh! That's the tough part about this cliffhanger. With BOBW, we at least knew it would be back after the summer break!

But probably no further discussion about potential saucer section survivors in the conclusion. In the real world, yes, but not here.

Probably not, unless we get a quick back and forth along the lines of "you crashed the saucer? Was anyone still on the ship?" "Aside from a skeleton crew keeping us in orbit, Chris, we were all down here on the planet."

 

[Odo]

Romulan War sort of has an easy fix regarding the challenge of dramatizing a conflict in which the Romulans and humans never meet face to face - use Remans, with Romulans in the background/on the ships