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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"

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Nerys Myk said:
Borrow from other places has been in Star Treks DNA since it's creation. Let's face it, Forbidden Planet's fingerprints are all over Star Trek. Trek's also borrowed from SF lit, Shakespeare. Westerns and even contemporary SF properties throughout it's run. It's visited Enemy Mine a couple of times. TMP was clearly influenced by 2001.
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Yeah I know about forbidden planet we all do. But yet star trek still had its own look,style and utopian vision. It's slowly been losing that for years now. Pike is a throwback to old Trek while M'Benga is written like a modern character. People can't relate to a utopian benevolent society so they've been cutting back in it for decades. Influence is fine but the gorn episode went further with just influence. At times it felt like i was watching the movie Aliens. Diont get me wring I really like SNW but star trek.doesnt need to be like everything else. I was just watching The Cloud Minders on TV tonight. It was influence by the movie Metropolis but it certainly didn't outright copy it where a viewer would be thinking wow this is just like Metropolis. TMP except for being out in space and a a human that sort of evolved(really just combined with vger) it didn't resemble the 2001 story much.
 
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Pubert said:
Yeah I know about forbidden planet we all do. But yet star trek still had its own look,style and utopian vision.
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It hasn't lost any of those things. There's a through line from TOS to SNW in look and style that's all Star Trek. The utopian thing is way overblown. It was background at best and a cudgel to beat home a point at worst.
Pubert said:
It's slowly been losing that for years now. Pike is a throwback to old Trek while M'Benga is written like a modern character.
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Pike is just as modern a character as M'Benga, so I'm failing to see your point, All the characters are written like and are reflections of the time they were created in. Kirk is very much a 60s leading man character. Sisko is very 90s. Archer is 00s. Pike is very 20s. SNW Pike wouldn't work in the 1960s. Like it or not social commentary is in Star Trek's DNA too,
Pubert said:
Influence is fine but the gorn episode went further with just influence. At times it felt like i was watching the movie Aliens. Diont get me wring I really like SNW but star trek.doesnt need to be like everything else.
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My point was Star Trek takes other things and Trekkifies them. It can do Alien, it can do Predator ( and I think it did) it could probably riff on Star Wars, too.
Pubert said:
I was just watching The Cloud Minders on TV tonight. It was influence by the movie Metropolis but it certainly didn't outright copy it where a viewer would be thinking wow this is just like Metropolis.
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Don't think I've ever made that connection. I can see it, though. I thought it was a generic commentary class and race. The Stratoseans were literally the upper class and the Troglodytes were literally the lower. :lol:

Pubert said:
TMP except for being out in space and a a human that sort of evolved(really just combined with vger) it didn't resemble the 2001 story much.
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I'm talking about the visual style and some broad storybeats. Ship sent out to investigate an alien object. Some wild psychedelic SFX. There's even an AI character in both.
 
I thought that the view looking up the Jefferies tube and apparently up towards a nacelle was magnificently high-grade Star Trek fan wank. What made it all the better was how that aspect was just casually in the background. The scene between Kirk and Number One wasn't about the Jefferies tube in any meaningful sense, it was a conversation leading into the fun song "Connect to Your Truth", but, boy, did they embrace the setting so completely that, after giving us some interior starship porn looking up the tube, instead of climbing down, Kirk simply slid down and out of the tube. I don't see how that Jefferies tube could have been any more purely Star Trek.
 
TimeIsAPredator said:
Maybe she wasn't pining after all but just feeling sorry for him
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I think in the Naked Time and Plato's Stepchildren she makes is fairly clear that she regrets her decision to end it. She broke his heart and closed him down (except for Kirk) for at least a decade. If they had got publicly got together later, Boimler would have known BUT the fact that they made the choice to keep it quiet once could mean that they did it again, I suppose, so all is not lost post TMP.
 
Nerys Myk said:
My point was Star Trek takes other things and Trekkifies them. It can do Alien, it can do Predator ( and I think it did) it could probably riff on Star Wars, too.
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While I feel the Alien and Predator riffs are a little too on the nose in this day and age, Star Trek did start life as Forbidden Planet: The Unauthorised Series.
 
ananta said:
Oh my goodness, he’s still writing reviews?! I remember him from way back in the 90’s in the newsgroup era and hadn’t heard the name for many years. Mind blown!
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Yeah right!?! And his web site is so.... 90s?
 
ananta said:
Oh my goodness, he’s still writing reviews?! I remember him from way back in the 90’s in the newsgroup era and hadn’t heard the name for many years. Mind blown!
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Yeah , he has been doing it for quite a while. The reviewer I remember from usenet newsgroups is Tim Lynch.
 
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