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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"

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To me, an ‘edge’ means relatively high stakes (not the fate of the galaxy, but the fate of the ship or a planet in the balance) and the kind of consequences to decisions/actions that you’d get in real life.
In essence, if they fuck around, they should find out.
 
Star trek makes a story that is light hearted and optimistic.
"Not real trek! Much to silly, be serious!"
Star trek makes a story that is serious with a more realist outlook.
"Not real trek! Its so dark and gritty, and against gene's vison!"
Star trek makes a story in the spirit of Gene's vision for the franchise.
"Why is everyone high and naked!? Why do ferengi all have massive cocks!? be family friendly!"
Star trek makes Prodigy.
"Not real trek! its just dumbed down kiddie stuff for mass audiences! be intelligent!"
Star trek makes a no expense spared scientifically and philosophically enlightened odyssey penned by the best authors in the business.
"Stop being so preeeeeachy! Who put politics in my space show!? they've gone woke I say! woke!"
Star trek makes a story inoffensive to all of the above sensibilities
"It's boring now I'm gonna go watch something else, hope you get canceled we'll try again in another 20 years..."
Look, all I want as a One True Star Trek fan is for everything to be exactly the same as I remembered it, but also completely different with no surprises but a lot of suspense.
 
It's Boimler's fault. He seeded the idea that Spock being with her wasn't right for the future. She probably thinks she's helping the timeline.

so then the episode is a pre-destination paradox. Boimler was always supposed to go back in time and put their break up into motion.

I wonder what the timeline looks like where he doesn’t and the two are living happily together.
 
To me, an ‘edge’ means relatively high stakes (not the fate of the galaxy, but the fate of the ship or a planet in the balance) and the kind of consequences to decisions/actions that you’d get in real life.
In essence, if they fuck around, they should find out.
Which is fine and all but SNW is cutting close to TOS in its mold and they never had consequences..TWOK was the first time someone said, "I'll bet that Khan guy is really pissed off."
 
To me, an ‘edge’ means relatively high stakes (not the fate of the galaxy, but the fate of the ship or a planet in the balance) and the kind of consequences to decisions/actions that you’d get in real life.
In essence, if they fuck around, they should find out.
There are some pretty good Trek episodes where it's just a character's life or future that's at stake.
 
"For the Uniform(DS9)" is one angry Starfleet Captain's vendetta against another Starfleet officer who not only betrayed his uniform but betrayed him. And the episode ends with a planet's atmosphere rendered toxic and its surface uninhabitable because one man wanted to get back at another.
 
"For the Uniform(DS9)" is one angry Starfleet Captain's vendetta against another Starfleet officer who not only betrayed his uniform but betrayed him. And the episode ends with a planet's atmosphere rendered toxic and its surface uninhabitable because one man wanted to get back at another.

uninhabitable to the Maquis. I think the Cardassians could still live there. It was the reverse of what Eddington did.
 
It's Boimler's fault. He seeded the idea that Spock being with her wasn't right for the future. She probably thinks she's helping the timeline.

And, on a more personal level, the fact that their relationship isn't even a footnote in Spock's biographies down the road did not exactly bode well for their long-term prospects.

"Oh, this passionate romance you're having now? Nobody even knows or cares about it in the future. It's completely forgotten by history."

That's gotta sting.

Works on a meta level, too. "Why, some people still insist that your whole love story isn't even canon!" :)
 
There are some pretty good Trek episodes where it's just a character's life or future that's at stake.
I love those. It’s a lot easier to be emotionally invested in one person’s fate than that of millions/billions. That many is too impersonal.

Which is fine and all but SNW is cutting close to TOS in its mold and they never had consequences..TWOK was the first time someone said, "I'll bet that Khan guy is really pissed off."

I just described what an ‘edge’ is to me; I didn’t subscribe to the idea that there always needs to be one in Trek. Trying to be edgy all the time is a good way to end up with a shitshow. But if there’s never any lasting consequences there aren’t any real stakes, either, and that’s how a drama peters out.
 
Which is fine and all but SNW is cutting close to TOS in its mold and they never had consequences..TWOK was the first time someone said, "I'll bet that Khan guy is really pissed off."
It was the 1960s. They made every episode self contained so people wouldn't feel lost if they missed an episode. They couldn't binge or record tv back in those days. So they did the right thing.
 
I just described what an ‘edge’ is to me; I didn’t subscribe to the idea that there always needs to be one in Trek. Trying to be edgy all the time is a good way to end up with a shitshow. But if there’s never any lasting consequences there aren’t any real stakes, either, and that’s how a drama peters out.
Fair. I disagree on drama petering out but I appreciate your explanation.
 
It was the 1960s. They made every episode self contained so people wouldn't feel lost if they missed an episode. They couldn't binge or record tv back in those days. So they did the right thing.

They had soap operas and nighttime drama series.
 
"Oh, that wife Spock eventually gets in the 24th century wedding DECADES from now? She's in the books. You? Not even a paragraph."
 
More episodes means more chances to miss episodes. They could, and did, do serialized story telling before VCR's. Yes, they did do episodic TV for the sake of casual viewers but serialized TV shows were there too for those who could handle it.
 
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