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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"

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I've grown to lime the K-Pop a bit more now having listened to the soundtrack twice now without the visuals and it works better for me now.

Klingon Opera would be better, but honorable and not something that would have pissed off the Klingons.
 
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Was this a genuine mistake or the result of re-cropping the scene for 16x9 television?

The shot accidentally including the removed viewscreen, ladder, and exposed soundstage in "Bound?" It was a genuine error. Star Trek: Enterprise was already shot digitally and in widescreen; this episode aired in 2005. I don't believe it has ever been re-cropped for modern televisions.

Sadly, I think it has been shown. I remember there being a scene where Worf gets a four-armed pianist to play some.

"Aktuh and Melota."

Yep. And apparently Klingon opera is extremely atonal, if "Aktuh and Melota" is any indicatoin.

I have now broken the "watched 100 times" mark on the Klingon K-Pop/boy band. It's just so flawlessly executed, and I adore Bruce Horak. :lol:

I am really impressed that someone with such a deep speaking voice has such a high falsetto!

No, we don't want SNW to turn into a relationship soap- that would be the demise of the show, I think. Character development? Sure. Arcs? Sure. But let's get on with exploring SNW.

I think having deep and meaningful relationships between characters is what makes a show last.

Have to say. Celia Rose Gooding is a great singer, but for all the hype about her going into this Christina Chong is better. She was incredible. The best of them all by far - and they were all good

Chong was wonderful, but I can't agree that she was better than Gooding. Gooding was hitting much higher notes at a much higher volume, and she generally covered a much larger vocal range. You could tell that Chong was closer to her mic and singing at a lower volume during her higher notes.

Christine Chong is a terrific singer and I really enjoyed the song... but this isn't Star Trek

Sure it is. It's a production entitled Star Trek, created by the owners of Star Trek, about the crew of a Federation Starfleet starship in the 23rd Century.

Star Trek doesn't always have to stick to a rigid formula, and Realism/Naturalism is not the only valid format. I think it's wonderful that we're in an era where Star Trek can have creative experiments like "Those Old Scientists" and "Subspace Rhapsody."

Feeling my age: I confess I wince whenever I see commentary about this episode citing "traditional" musicals like . . . Les Miz and Phantom of the Opera?

I mean, I know, intellectually, that those shows are close to forty years old now, but I still think of them as "modern" musicals, as opposed to Oklahoma, My Fair Lady, Brigadoon, etc.

I mean, if we put on our musical theatre history academic hats, that's actually a fair categorization. Musicals before the late 1950s/early 1960s -- and this was an evolution, not a hard line -- but musicals basically before West Side Story tended not to have music that was as well-integrated into the story being told. So it is fair to refer to Les Miserables and Phantom of the Opera as "modern" musicals in that sense.

I think we should avoid being too reductive about what Star Trek is or isn't. As I always say, the great thing about Star Trek is that the format is broad enough to encompass lots of different kinds of stories: high-concept SF, courtroom dramas, murder mysteries, tragic love stories, topical allegories, morality plays, war stories, espionage stories, comedies, and maybe even a musical or two?

That STAR TREK is a big umbrella is a feature, not a bug. It can do light-hearted and whimsical ("Shore Leave") or dark and searing ("In the Pale Moonlight"), and everything in-between. God forbid Trek hit the same notes week after week without variation.

And let's not be too dismissive of "fun." Star Trek's supposed to be fun and entertaining, as well as high-minded and inspirational. Going all the way back to TOS.

100%.

What a weird episode. I kind of loved it. But I also kinda feel that Star Treks somehow jumped the shark.

Nah. Star Trek has jumped the shark, died, come back, and reached new creative heights, and then done it all over again multiple times. This franchise is almost sixty years old. It has transcended the idea of "jumping the shark."

Besides, Buffy didn't even jump the shark with its musical episode. (That didn't happen until "Conversations with Dead People.")

Did I mention that it fucking sucks to be Spock? I kinda feel Christine realised wanting something forbidden was a lot more exciting than having it.

Christine? Spock was the one who wanted someone to whom he wasn't engaged. Spock was the one who made advances on Christine. And Spock was the one who has to cope with the realization that Christine is not quite the person he had imagined her to be, that she's a real person without thoughts and feelings and goals that have nothing to do with him or his feelings. Spock is the one who has realized that wanting something forbidden is a lot more exciting than having it.
 
There's something to be said that at the end of "This Side of Paradise(TOS)" a 37-year-old Spock who's second-in-command of the most famous ship in the Federation says that for the first time he'd just experienced happiness. Real happiness.

That's his lot. And it may get easier as he gets older and more wise and embraces more of his human half, but it never gets easy.
 
Some years ago, a friend and I were lamenting that "kids these days" didn't watch classic old movies like we did when we were young. Grumble, grumble.

Then we realized we were wrong. Young people were watching vintage movies made long before they were born; it was just that nowadays those movies were THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, THE WRATH OF KHAN, GREASE, etc.

It was sobering to realize that STAR WARS is older today than CASABLANCA was when we were growing up. :)

I recall thinking when folks were complaining about some of the Into Darkness vs. TWOK things that there was probably a huge segment of the target audience who never even saw TWOK because it was over 30 years old.

... Listened to the soundtrack again driving home frim work and, man, I just love it!

I just love the.... "Trekness" of the lyrics singing about sciency, mathematical, ship-systems stuff and fellowships. *lol* it's just great!
And rhyming "inertial dampers" with "hampered." :)

I really liked Chapel's "camera obscura" line in her number.
 
So, was the Farragut and Batel's ship both inside transporter range or are we doing the Kelvin-verse concept of transporter ranges so vast we don't need starships?

ETA: Why did autocorrect change "Batel" into "Patel?"

Know what, AC, I'll handle the words you take care of it when I hit the "V" or "B" instead of the spacebar, deal?
 
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So, was the Farragut and Patel's ships both inside transporter range or are we doing the Kelvin-verse concept of transporter ranges so vast we don't need starships?
I was under the impression that both involved rendezvous with the other ship, but it would probably have been better to use shuttlecraft so that entire starships aren't being redirected.
 
Hey, nothing wrong with a good transporter malfunction episode. "The Enemy Within" and "Mirror, Mirror" are classics!

(Says the guy who was rewatching "Return of the Fly" just a few nights ago. "Help meeeeee!")
If only the transporters were as reliable as the inertial dampeners, which are consistently far more reliable than anything else, including life support systems.
 
Admittedly I tend to like my Star Trek more serious than most, so I was bound to not like this episode.

And sure enough, I HATED it.

Being silly and self referential is all streaming Trek can do to get your attention. There's no real edge to it otherwise.
Star Trek really doesn't feel like it has had an edge for a while. Into Darkness maybe my last edgier feel. I like Discovery but I don't think that's what is meant by fans when they ask for an edge.
 
Being silly and self referential is all streaming Trek can do to get your attention. There's no real edge to it otherwise.
Star trek makes a story that is light hearted and optimistic.
"Not real trek! Much to silly, be serious!"
Star trek makes a story that is serious with a more realist outlook.
"Not real trek! Its so dark and gritty, and against gene's vison!"
Star trek makes a story in the spirit of Gene's vision for the franchise.
"Why is everyone high and naked!? Why do ferengi all have massive cocks!? be family friendly!"
Star trek makes Prodigy.
"Not real trek! its just dumbed down kiddie stuff for mass audiences! be intelligent!"
Star trek makes a no expense spared scientifically and philosophically enlightened odyssey penned by the best authors in the business.
"Stop being so preeeeeachy! Who put politics in my space show!? they've gone woke I say! woke!"
Star trek makes a story inoffensive to all of the above sensibilities
"It's boring now I'm gonna go watch something else, hope you get canceled we'll try again in another 20 years..."
 
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