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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x06 - "Lost in Translation"

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OTOH, is there anything IN those engines? We were able to see from the domes to the tail and it was mostly empty space

Warp coild are hollow and when you are at warp there is a plasma stream flowing down the center in order to energize them.


Also, it would definitely take more time to evacuate the station than it would for Una to find something critical to phaser inside that would shut down the station.
 
I’m still iffy on Wesley-Kirk. He seems to get a bit better each time he’s on. But for me, there is still just something off. The fighting death speech was pretty good though.

I mean, I think something we all gotta accept here is that nobody, and I mean nobody, is William Shatner except William Shatner. Nobody playing Kirk is ever going to embody the particular brand of charisma that Shatner brought to the role. And if we just start from that premise and let go of the idea that anyone's going to recapture Shatner's Kirkness, I think we can start to open ourselves up to new interpretations of the character. And Wesley's Kirk is a pretty good, pretty interesting performance once one lets go of wanting him to embody Shatnerocity.

I get the feeling they are going to set it up as the crewmates not receiving the Spock/Chapel relationship well. “Like…we are happy for you two but it seems kinda fucked up that you’d break up a marriage.” Optics could also be why Christine wants to keep it under wraps.

I don't think that's an issue at all. The issue is that Spock and Christine aren't sure what they want out of each other now that they have each other. Which happens.

It seems weird to me that both the Kelvin timeline and now nu-Trek keep pushing Kirk and Uhura together on a more personal level instead of just the Captain/subordinate relationship they had during TOS. It’s because of the kiss isnt it?

I mean, I think what's happening is that modern writers want to more fully develop Nyota as a character because she got very little development in TOS. I think Jim was interested for like two seconds when they first met in this episode, and then he dropped it as soon as Nyota declared she didn't want him hitting on her -- from there on his interest in her was genuinely platonic. The only person he flirts with even a little bit after is La'an.

And the Kelvin movies didn't push them together. Like, Jim chases her at first, and then he gives up once he realizes that she's really dedicated to her relationship with Spock.

(Comparing Jim's, Nyota's, and Spock's life courses in the Prime Timeline versus the Kelvin Timeline is... weird. Jim seems older in the Prime Universe than he does in the Kelvin Timeline, and Nyota younger.)

Edited to add:

Jim going out of his way to support Nyota as she goes through this crisis really adds another layer of depth to Nyota's subsequent decision to risk her career and her freedom for him in The Search for Spock.
 
If it’s a temporary thing, why would Pike still have to wear the fancy badge? Feels like it’s just a super cheap way to get around that line from The Menagerie.
Riker had 4 pips when he was temporarily in command of the D

Warp coild are hollow and when you are at warp there is a plasma stream flowing down the center in order to energize them.
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I mean, I think something we all gotta accept here is that nobody, and I mean nobody, is William Shatner except William Shatner. Nobody playing Kirk is ever going to embody the particular brand of charisma that Shatner brought to the role. And if we just start from that premise and let go of the idea that anyone's going to recapture Shatner's Kirkness, I think we can start to open ourselves up to new interpretations of the character. And Wesley's Kirk is a pretty good, pretty interesting performance once one lets go of wanting him to embody Shatnerocity.



I don't think that's an issue at all. The issue is that Spock and Christine aren't sure what they want out of each other now that they have each other. Which happens.



I mean, I think what's happening is that modern writers want to more fully develop Nyota as a character because she got very little development in TOS. I think Jim was interested for like two seconds when they first met in this episode, and then he dropped it as soon as Nyota declared she didn't want him hitting on her -- from there on his interest in her was genuinely platonic. The only person he flirts with even a little bit after is La'an.

And the Kelvin movies didn't push them together. Like, Jim chases her at first, and then he gives up once he realizes that she's really dedicated to her relationship with Spock.

(Comparing Jim's, Nyota's, and Spock's life courses in the Prime Timeline versus the Kelvin Timeline is... weird. Jim seems older in the Prime Universe than he does in the Kelvin Timeline, and Nyota younger.)

Edited to add:

Jim going out of his way to support Nyota as she goes through this crisis really adds another layer of depth to Nyota's subsequent decision to risk her career and her freedom for him in The Search for Spock.

I’m not looking for him to be Shatner or even Pine for that matter. Wesley brings something different than those two did. I’m totally open to him playing the character, I’ve said since last seasons finale that we need to judge him on his fully body of work and not just the 5 minutes he had there. He’s better IMO each time we see him. But for me he’s just not totally clicking. Pine was the same way, he had moments in Trek ‘09 and in Into Darkness but he really didn’t “click” until Beyond and there he IS Captain Kirk. The comparisons to Connery vs Moore vs Lazenby vs Dalton vs Brosnan vs Craig as James Bond are very on the money.

I wasn’t meaning it in a sexual or relationship way with Kirk and Uhura. I just meant it’s weird to me that in the Kelvin-verse and in nu-Trek they are pushing them as friends first before he becomes her boss. When I would think based on what we did see in TOS the reverse would be true. He replaces Pike and as they face life and death together for the next 40 years they become family.
 
Good solid episode in the 7-8 range. Ither than giving Uhuraxa phaser while she is hallucinating, it was well written.

I dug the Kirk/Uhura interchanges. And the homage to Hemmer. With Uhura & Una having the roughest time.

I was fine with Chapel eanting to keep things under wraps. Don't mess up a good thing.

I did not dig the Kirk/Kirk stuff quite as much.

On to the crossover!
 
Regarding the fire order, La'an looked at Pike, who gave her a nod, before she fired.
Ah I missed that because it is meant to be the helm that fires weapons in TOS. Nobody at the the security station ever did anything. I think the station was the other side of Spock.
 
I was really excited when this one started, but felt the execution wasn't so good.

I think my main issue was the second it started my thought was "the nebula thing is alive and it's sending you messages to say so". I am sure I'm not alone. So it lacked any mystery or danger as the ending was also then too obvious.

Love Uhura and the actress. Great to see character pieces across the board.

I know they need to setup the Kirk thing - and the end scene with him Spock and Uhura together was nice. But again I can't help but feel I don't care about him. I know Kirk. I have very little of Pike and Number One and Hemmer. I loved Hemmer, the world needs more Hemmer not more Kirk. And La'an. Always more La'an.

I can't believe we're 60% done already. :(
 
Ah I missed that because it is meant to be the helm that fires weapons in TOS. Nobody at the the security station ever did anything. I think the station was the other side of Spock.
To be fair to the folks who missed that in this episode, they haven’t been entirely consistent over the course of the show. Sometimes La’an fires the weapons and sometimes it’s Ortegas.
 
I've been in a relationship for 15 years and there are times my wife's apparent indifference still surprises me.

My wife and I have been together for 14 years, and the speed in which she can shift from sweet, caring voice on the phone to a growl directly after hanging up and say, "That bitch!" as if a switch was flipped still surprises me occasionally... and this is after years of seeing her do it.


I LOVED that moment, because when Pike backs his crew up, he backs them up 100%. I love it.

This is another quality of Sisko that they imbued into Pike, and yet another reason to love him for it.


(I am about to start on the 20th page, but I have to get to bed. This is sort of my reference point for when I come back to this thread and post my thoughts.)
 
Let’s be honest, it was a pretty run-of-the-mill Star Trek episode, but it’s the character chemistry, interactions and performances that carry it. This was Uhura’s best episode, maybe even better than “Children of the Comet.” And, I know this may be somewhat controversial, but I really love Paul Wesley as Kirk. I honestly think he captures Kirk’s somewhat reserved charm and playfulness from the first half of S1 TOS very well. He also has really good chemistry with Uhura and La’an, at lest in my opinion.
Perfectly said. This was not SNW finest story but it was a terrific episode.

There is a meme of Shatner's Kirk "Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am." That's part one of Kirk. The other part is, like you said, there has to be a certain kind of reserve. And (just spitballing here) almost a kind of assumption on Kirk's part that everyone ELSE is as awesome as he is! Which is why he's kind of baffled by Sam. And why he connects with Uhura so quickly!

(Wow! Now I have to go back and see if that still tracks with TOS!)

I loved the scene of him talking about George SO much.

Making Pike a fleet captain felt like a canon check mark just so Kirk could be in the episode

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a last minute addition to the script after someone remembered menagerie
I go the other way. I think there has been a big sign in the writer's room that says "(We met) when he was promoted to Fleet Captain." And someone figured out a credible way to unlock that. Well done. Because there is a tiny portion of nerds (and we're ALLLL here) who the moment we heard "Fleet Captain" shouted "KIRK!"

Of course this makes Chris into Kirk's boss' boss. Which MIGHT have come up in The Menagerie. But I can live with it.

In TOS, we see her in a very limited, specific context. She's barely even a character. In Amok Time, she's come up with a plan with a specific goal, break the engagement with Spock and be with Stonn. According to Vulcan culture, there are only certain ways to do that. So, her options were extremely constrained. She might've been experiencing Ponn Farr as well.

I love how SNW have given her real characterization and motivations.
Can you imagine if we really watched X number of seasons of SNW and THEN watched TOS? How FURIOUS we would be at Amok Time? We waited a whole year to see T'Pring again and THAT is what they give us? What the hell? (And T'Pring was not going through Pon Farr. I'll die on that hill.)

I really like the idea that when realizing that their utilization of a scarce resource is causing tremendous damage to other lifeforms, Starfleet's first response is to just stop. It's a much more optimistic take than what tends to happen in analogous situations in real life today.
Well, not to fuel the "that equipment was valuable" side of the debate, we didn't see what the "cost" of this turned out to be. It comes off as rather negligible, as it should. We're not really given a comparison like "If we don't have this outpost everyone on Hoopdehoop VI will starve in six weeks, seven tops." This station is very much portrayed as "gee this will be cool to have" rather than integral and necessary.

Do we think that it was just a coincidence that Uhura just introduces herself as uhura to Kirk instead of saying Nyota Uhura or was that an intentional reference to ‘09
On the one hand, yes. On the other, who has she introduced herself to as Nyota? I think the only person who calls her that is Chris. (I've seen most of these four times, I should know. But I apparently don't.)

Ah I missed that because it is meant to be the helm that fires weapons in TOS. Nobody at the the security station ever did anything. I think the station was the other side of Spock.
The two stations to Spock's left were Assistant Navigation and then Weapons and Defense. I think La'an is sitting where the Engineering / Environmental stations will be? Of the many pieces of Star Trek minutia that I will be scrawling on the walls of the rest home, the stations on the Enterprise bridge will oddly not be one of them.
 
It seems weird to me that both the Kelvin timeline and now nu-Trek keep pushing Kirk and Uhura together on a more personal level instead of just the Captain/subordinate relationship they had during TOS. It’s because of the kiss isnt it?.

No, it's because people are more interesting than ranks. Emotional relationships are why most people read and watch fiction.
 
I also loved that Jim got a HEROIC ENTRANCE... In a TRANSPORTER!

(It does kind of make me re-think if Spock had beamed from the shuttle to the Enterprise in TMP. We could have gotten something like this?)

I haven't seen anyone give massive props for how believable Sam and Jim are as brothers. They're terrific.
 
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