Khan recognizing him is the mistake. He shouldn't have.
Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"
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Khan recognizing him is the mistake. He shouldn't have.
It was pretty good. Better than I thought it would be.Wasn't "Charades" a great Star Trek episode?
It would only be a mistake if there was actually a TOS episode that explicitly established that the character of Chekov didn't join the crew until the second season. ("Welcome aboard, ensign."). Since there is no such episode we can safely assume that Chekov was among the roughly 430 random crew members aboard the ship during "Space Seed."
It's not as though "Space Seed" made a point of listing every crew member aboard the ship during the incident and immediately afterwards.
I always assumed Khan and Chekov had met offscreen.
I love Walter Koenigs version where Chekov is taking too long in the bathroom and Khan really has to go after 200 years. "You I will never forget!!"
It's strange, really. Folks keep asserting that "Chekov never joined the crew until the second season!" as though this is established "canon."
No. In the real world, Walter Koenig didn't join the show until the second season, but we have no idea when the fictional character of Chekov joined the crew. He just sorta magically appears in "Amok Time" as though he's always been there. There's no onscreen dialogue stating that he's a new addition to the crew.
No. In the real world, Walter Koenig didn't join the show until the second season, but we have no idea when the fictional character of Chekov joined the crew. He just sorta magically appears in "Amok Time" as though he's always been there. There's no onscreen dialogue stating that he's a new addition to the crew.
Turns out Uhura has been on the Enterprise since 2259 so yeah, I can buy Chekov being a lower decks Ensign late in Season 1 and being rounded up by Khan's people. 
And George Takei wasn't in "Space Seed," either , and no one ever seriously suggests that Sulu was temporarily away from the ship when Khan was aboard (or that Sulu was elsewhere on detached duty during the many second season episodes Takei was absent from while he was filming "The Green Berets").
I do like the way DeSalle keeps on having him analyze things though.
Where's my DeSalle cameo!
Chekov is more less dismissible in my mind for Season 1. He simply is a nonentity. If he was there, great and I'm sure it works well. If not, I really don't see what changes. I really have no conviction either way, save for that the whole "I never forget a face" scene in TWOK felt very forced.
interesting take and…well, why not? Could be.
Meyer was well aware that Chekhov hadn’t been introduced by the time of Space Seed, so it’s no mistake, it’s a choice. He decided he must have been already aboard and met Khan offscreen, there is no reason this couldn’t have happened. You don’t usually get assigned to the bridge upon arrival on a ship, after all.
Regarding the frequently changing helmsman and navigator and communication officer, that’s something I loved from tos and early tng that gradually disappeared over the years: it add realism, as the main guys aren’t going to be at their post 24/24 and even in battle situations there must be equally capable relief officers to fill their posts.
Sorry but the fact that we didn't see the character until the second season is explicit enough for me that he wasn't around/ on the ship during the first season. YMMV.
Just the ones he was planning to kill.
Nah. There are 400 plus people on the ship. We don't see most of them.
We barely see any of them over three seasons. When you consider the rotation on and off of a ship like the Enterprise during a five-year mission Kirk must have commanded close to 2,000 different officers and crewmembers between 2265 and 2270 and in 80 episodes of TOS we might see a few dozen or so at most?
I was surprised that Palmer (substitute Uhura) appeared twice.
I always assumed Khan and Chekov had met offscreen.
He absolutely met him offscreen. The very fact that they recognize each other proves it.
The most we see in any one episode might be the rows of crewmen preparing to beam down in "This Side of Paradise," and Mr. Leslie is about the only one who gets dialogue outside the main cast, Lt. DeSalle and the bridge officers.
Look, basically you are saying a later entry can't retroactively establish something, in this case TWOK cant say Chekov was on the Enterprise in season 1. But you'd have to follow that logic to other subjects as well. For example, the first mention of a Federation is in Arena, after mentions of UESPA and Space Central. Do you also consider the existence of the Federation illegitimate?
Hell, the Prime Directive doesn't even seem to exist in "Miri."
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