Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[Amaris]

I think we have seen enough to know they are not monolithic, even in their approach to the Surakian traditions. In "Yesteryear" Spock, posing as a cousin, states he is there to honor the families gods. So there are multiple traditions and paths running through Vulcan culture, as I would expect.

Hell, humans are emotional, and we're not monolithic at all. You get everything from the warm welcoming everybody's friend to the outright hateful and violent bigot. Surely Vulcan would have its fair share of outliers, if nothing else, among billions of people.

Speaking of Surakian teachings, look at, for example, Christianity, a faith founded on the teachings of a man who taught to love your neighbor, give freely of what you receive, and to judge not your neighbor while committing wrongful acts yourself, and then look at Christians. Again, you get everything from the warm, kind, compassionate Christian who wants you to be safe and happy, all the way to the extremist, violent bigot who wants to kill you for being slightly different in your beliefs.

No one people is a monolith. That's always been an issue I've had with Star Trek. I usually let it go because Star Trek's about teaching human lessons and using different alien species as aspects of humanity, but when it comes to storytelling it can often be limited, which is why it's nice to see nuances in the modern shows.

Also, I liked T'Pring's father. I bet he and Pike would get along swimmingly outside the influence of his wife.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Also if he meets Leia like within a year, it will mean he must have been over chapel to some extent.

Leia is from a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Leila is much closer.

 

[fireproof78]

Leia is from a long time ago in a galaxy far away. Leila is much closer.

Time travel. Spock and Leia had a thing once. Didn't pan out.

Hell, humans are emotional, and we're not monolithic at all. You get everything from the warm welcoming everybody's friend to the outright hateful and violent bigot. Surely Vulcan would have its fair share of outliers, if nothing else, among billions of people.

One would think, yes. But, apparently diversity only applies to humans.

Speaking of Surakian teachings, look at, for example, Christianity, a faith founded on the teachings of a man who taught to love your neighbor, give freely of what you receive, and to judge not your neighbor while committing wrongful acts yourself, and then look at Christians. Again, you get everything from the warm, kind, compassionate Christian who wants you to be safe and happy, all the way to the extremist, violent bigot who wants to kill you for being slightly different in your beliefs.

A great example that is sadly true.

 

[TerryTrek]

5/10. I wanted to like this one. Didn't work for me.

It was very Lower Decks. Feminist comedy. The women having all the agency, authority and the upper hand. The men played for laughs or placed in submissive positions (Spock, Pike, the Husband Vulcan; Zhaban 2.0,the Vulcan interviewer).

It's fine once in a while, I generally prefer a more balanced approach like last week.

Peck was alright as the Ashton Kutcher version of Nu Spock.

Much preferred "Spock Amok." That one was well-balanced, gave Pike that cool subplot with the aliens, instead of just cooking and being the object of some awkward jokes that didn't land.

5 stars for Jess Bush though. Really wish she was playing another character instead of Chapel.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Oh yeah. This is gonna get so messy. Even though I love the tumble into foolishness by Spock and Christine, I feel for T'Pring. And it's very evident from this episode that her motivations for her terrible actions in the future were never about his human side.

I thought the reason was she didn’t wish to be the consort of a legend

 

[cooleddie74]

Heh... That was Chunk.

Do the Truffle Shuffle!

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I think we have seen enough to know they are not monolithic, even in their approach to the Surakian traditions. In "Yesteryear" Spock, posing as a cousin, states he is there to honor the families gods. So there are multiple traditions and paths running through Vulcan culture, as I would expect.

Exactly. My personal head canon is that Spock's family is from a socially conservative clan (even by Vulcan standards) and that Sarek was a real rebel once.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

I thought the reason was she didn’t wish to be the consort of a legend

Well yeah, goes without saying obviously.

 

[Unique]

Hell, humans are emotional, and we're not monolithic at all. You get everything from the warm welcoming everybody's friend to the outright hateful and violent bigot. Surely Vulcan would have its fair share of outliers, if nothing else, among billions of people.

Speaking of Surakian teachings, look at, for example, Christianity, a faith founded on the teachings of a man who taught to love your neighbor, give freely of what you receive, and to judge not your neighbor while committing wrongful acts yourself, and then look at Christians. Again, you get everything from the warm, kind, compassionate Christian who wants you to be safe and happy, all the way to the extremist, violent bigot who wants to kill you for being slightly different in your beliefs.

No one people is a monolith. That's always been an issue I've had with Star Trek. I usually let it go because Star Trek's about teaching human lessons and using different alien species as aspects of humanity, but when it comes to storytelling it can often be limited, which is why it's nice to see nuances in the modern shows.

Also, I liked T'Pring's father. I bet he and Pike would get along swimmingly outside the influence of his wife.

“Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult, and left untried.”

 

[Nerys Myk]

Oh here it is. I was wondering when the hate would show up.

Always at 55555 O’Clock,

 

[Captain Jollydark]

5/10. I wanted to like this one. Didn't work for me.

It was very Lower Decks. Feminist comedy. The women having all the agency, authority and the upper hand. The men played for laughs or placed in submissive positions (Spock, Pike, the Husband Vulcan; Zhaban 2.0,the Vulcan interviewer).

.

I do not give you permission to speak this way little man. I have agency and many upper hands.

 

[marillion]

I’ve rewatched that part 3 times just to savor it.

That needs to be the all new "oh shit" GIF to replace all others. Certainly it has come soon.

 

[Trekker4747]

5/10. I wanted to like this one. Didn't work for me.

It was very Lower Decks. Feminist comedy. The women having all the agency, authority and the upper hand. The men played for laughs or placed in submissive positions (Spock, Pike, the Husband Vulcan; Zhaban 2.0,the Vulcan interviewer).

It's fine once in a while, I generally prefer a more balanced approach like last week.

Peck was alright as the Ashton Kutcher version of Nu Spock.

Much preferred "Spock Amok." That one was well-balanced, gave Pike that cool subplot with the aliens, instead of just cooking and being the object of some awkward jokes that didn't land.

5 stars for Jess Bush though. Really wish she was playing another character instead of Chapel.

Aww. Feminist focused stories.

 

[valden]

5/10. I wanted to like this one. Didn't work for me.

It was very Lower Decks. Feminist comedy. The women having all the agency, authority and the upper hand. The men played for laughs or placed in submissive positions (Spock, Pike, the Husband Vulcan; Zhaban 2.0,the Vulcan interviewer).

It's fine once in a while, I generally prefer a more balanced approach like last week.

Peck was alright as the Ashton Kutcher version of Nu Spock.

Much preferred "Spock Amok." That one was well-balanced, gave Pike that cool subplot with the aliens, instead of just cooking and being the object of some awkward jokes that didn't land.

5 stars for Jess Bush though. Really wish she was playing another character instead of Chapel.

feeling so much Friends call back, but I do wish this show had more characters that was even to the girls.. when spock joined the ladies at the girl night out, I realised that there were 4 girls and 1 guy ,which is almost the near average ratio of male and female characters since the show has only 3 guys (Pike, Mnegba, Spock) to 6 girls (Peelia, Una, Laan, Ortega, Uhura, Chapel) with the ensemble cast.

I think spock like in the Friends world, may have benefited if he had more guy pals in SNW. perhaps get a male perspective advice on his relationship like ross had with chandler and joey.

I like feminist comedy but if you go that route and make it good you need more male characters pull it off,

 

[Nerys Myk]

get it off his system only for Leia Kemoni to bring it back sometime later? maybe he has a thing for pretty blondes when he was younger.

Leia’s last name is “Organa” and she’s a brunette.

 

[Unique]

5/10. I wanted to like this one. Didn't work for me.

It was very Lower Decks. Feminist comedy. The women having all the agency, authority and the upper hand. The men played for laughs or placed in submissive positions (Spock, Pike, the Husband Vulcan; Zhaban 2.0,the Vulcan interviewer).

It's fine once in a while, I generally prefer a more balanced approach like last week.

Peck was alright as the Ashton Kutcher version of Nu Spock.

Much preferred "Spock Amok." That one was well-balanced, gave Pike that cool subplot with the aliens, instead of just cooking and being the object of some awkward jokes that didn't land.

5 stars for Jess Bush though. Really wish she was playing another character instead of Chapel.

You mean other than Spock saving Chapel at his own expense?

 

[Unique]

That needs to be the all new "oh shit" GIF to replace all others. Certainly it has come soon.

From your lips to God’s ears.

 

[Nyotarules]

Amanda's dialogue seems to indicate that there are almost no humans on Vulcan, or presumably really very few. You'd think that she'd be old friends with M'Benga as well, not just Pelia.

Perhaps Vulcan upper-class folks look down on mixed marriages but the rest of Vulcan society couldn't care less. Or Sareks social circle are bigoted snobs.

Why?

Its a racist concept to describe humans with more than one ethnic background.

Don't we all


Vulcan values, behaviors, societal rules are well established.

By the few Vulcans we see on screen who represents a whole race? Everyone in the Vulcan system converted to Syrannite in 100 years?

 

[fireproof78]

Aww. Feminist focused stories.

Must have watched way too many sitcoms from the 90s to find this in any way bothersome.

Perhaps Vulcan upper-class folks look down on mixed marriages but the rest of Vulcan society couldn't care less. Or Sareks social circle are bigoted snobs.

Wouldn't surprise me, given Sarek's attitude, and Sybok's mother being a Vulcan priestess or princess? Can't remember.

feeling so much Friends call back, but I do wish this show had more characters that was even to the girls.. when spock joined the ladies at the girl night out, I realised that there were 4 girls and 1 guy ,which is almost the near average ratio of male and female characters since the show has only 3 guys (Pike, Mnegba, Spock) to 6 girls (Peelia, Una, Laan, Ortega, Uhura, Chapel) with the ensemble cast.

So, just like my college days and my current work environment. Again, now I realize why this shit is not offensive to me and needs no calling out. It's part of my day to day.

 

[Noname Given]

Amanda's dialogue seems to indicate that there are almost no humans on Vulcan, or presumably really very few. You'd think that she'd be old friends with M'Benga as well, not just Pelia.

What makes you believe all Vulcans only live in one area on the planet? There are probably other humans and maybe even of Vulcan/Human, Vulcan/Andorian, etc. couples, but they're spread across the entire planet.

So yeah, it wouldn't be unusual that M'Benga and Amanda had no contact with each other while he was there.